would this be illegal??..

thill420 · Mar 5th, 2008, 10:14 PM

hey guys.. just wondering your opinion on this... would taking samples that u download (through ********, websites and whatever) and then putting them together and making your own track to play at parties and w/e be illegal or piracy?? what do u think??

Black Ice · Mar 6th, 2008, 07:51 AM

I'm going to guess.. if you dont get paid for playing that playlist.. no?
I'm not sure if its diff for other countries/states/regions etc... but im sure if you arent making a profit then its fine.

But also if downloading artists that have a music production label is illegal.. i think taking samples counts as illegal i dunno lol

Kami68k · Mar 20th, 2008, 07:57 PM

Of course there is a copyright on samples, so you may not use them, unless the creator (or license holder) said you can, or you bought a CD. There are lots of sites around with free samples though, so you can search there if you need some samples.

wfcamb · May 8th, 2008, 01:04 AM

I think as long as you're not at a big, popular place it should be fine.. I doubt an agent or investigator will be at a small party place to take you away..

But yeh.. Otherwise, like already mentioned, if you're not making money off of it, then you should be able to slip by with it.. Actually, if you think about it.. If you obtain the track illegally (through l!mew!re or other), then using it in your own stuff would probably be illegal too.. I dunno.. Just spittin' out ideas..

ThaMan · May 8th, 2008, 08:06 AM

I had a fee of 108€ from the music instance (SABAM - Belgium)
I placed some samples to ID on my website + a ********** link to a mix of myself

Argued till i was tired of it myself, but i was not able to do anything about it... and to get a lawyer was insane (though i could have won it)
They see samples as streaming, and they we're hosted on a .be domain (they we're right about this, but if i dont know the samples, how in the hell could they ??? Who says the fee is goin to the rightfull owner then)

About the link on my website ? It is hosted by **********, what did i do wrong then... if they want to play it hard they have to shut down 80% of the internet!
I am thinking to get further with this stupid law (wich only exists in Belgium btw).

I am goin to change my BE account to .COM or .NL with hosting in NL ! They don't suck on such things.... lame ass maffia pocket fillers
Anyway i payed the Fee, called the stupid french chick and said "Rent a Gigolo and enjoy with my money"

Chogull · Jun 9th, 2008, 04:42 PM

Im not a legal expert, but it depends on the length of the sample used.
You can use a certian amount of a song, though I dont believe you can use the actual technical sample recorded by the artist.
Or if you can you might have to pay a fee to ASCAP.
But then again you might not get caught.

Daytime14 · Jun 12th, 2008, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chogull

Im not a legal expert, but it depends on the length of the sample used.
You can use a certian amount of a song, though I dont believe you can use the actual technical sample recorded by the artist.
Or if you can you might have to pay a fee to ASCAP.
But then again you might not get caught.

what he said

DJduffman · Jul 16th, 2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaMan

I had a fee of 108€ from the music instance (SABAM - Belgium)
I placed some samples to ID on my website + a ********** link to a mix of myself

Argued till i was tired of it myself, but i was not able to do anything about it... and to get a lawyer was insane (though i could have won it)
They see samples as streaming, and they we're hosted on a .be domain (they we're right about this, but if i dont know the samples, how in the hell could they ??? Who says the fee is goin to the rightfull owner then)

About the link on my website ? It is hosted by **********, what did i do wrong then... if they want to play it hard they have to shut down 80% of the internet!
I am thinking to get further with this stupid law (wich only exists in Belgium btw).

I am goin to change my BE account to .COM or .NL with hosting in NL ! They don't suck on such things.... lame ass maffia pocket fillers
Anyway i payed the Fee, called the stupid french chick and said "Rent a Gigolo and enjoy with my money"

Wow Belgium really sux,
cant be proud that I am Belgian right now

So it is true, we really do have to pay for everything.

Boux · Dec 24th, 2008, 06:09 PM

nothing is illegal if you dont get caught.

Yacek · Dec 25th, 2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boux

nothing is illegal if you dont get caught.

that's about the dumbest thing you could say.

The Rush · Dec 27th, 2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yacek

that's about the dumbest thing you could say.

But it's so true though

Ridley · Dec 27th, 2008, 06:46 PM

It probably is technically illegal, but as long as you keep it small scale its doubtful anyone would spend any time trying to punish you. Unless you live in the police state of Belgium (JK

).

*Dustwave* · Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ridley

It probably is technically illegal, but as long as you keep it small scale its doubtful anyone would spend any time trying to punish you. Unless you live in the police state of Belgium (JK

).

Or the US.

It seems the great majority of copyright bullshit comes from RIAA.

uberjoras · Jan 2nd, 2009, 02:19 PM

Read the EULA's on the sites you get them from. Generally speaking, if you think something would be illegal, you're better off staying away from it until you ask the owner. If you bought them legally through a legitimate source, you shouldn't be worrying anyways.

Garbs · Jan 19th, 2009, 12:57 PM

Rather than post a thread on almost the same topic/question I have a slight variation.

What about using sound samples from films? Say you rip a 10 second sample from different films and then use them as your vocals in your track. Can you get away with not asking the owner?

A good example is Noisia & Phace: Cannonball where they use a sample from Anchorman (to great effect

)

PhineasFreak · Jan 20th, 2009, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garbs

What about using sound samples from films? Say you rip a 10 second sample from different films and then use them as your vocals in your track. Can you get away with not asking the owner?

Do you intend to make money from it? do you think your work will be heard by so many as to expose you to being sued for breach of copyright?

Garbs · Jan 20th, 2009, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhineasFreak

Do you intend to make money from it? do you think your work will be heard by so many as to expose you to being sued for breach of copyright?

Not yet. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't in the future. It would be small time obviously as I'm not well known globally

But I was meaning my question in general. Also one more question ... instead of selling it for money, is it exactly the same if you were selling it but to raise money for charity?

PhineasFreak · Jan 20th, 2009, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garbs

Not yet. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't in the future. It would be small time obviously as I'm not well known globally

the solution many upcoming artists resort to is to operate with illegal samples, releasing bootlegs/white labels until a song hits the big time, when they then let the big record label sort out the licensing of the sample... you're unlikely to get in trouble using little snippets from movies in your own tunes if you're not famous...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garbs

But I was meaning my question in general. Also one more question ... instead of selling it for money, is it exactly the same if you were selling it but to raise money for charity?

charity is very rarely taken as an excuse for breaking the law - but might be a successful argument for getting free reign to use a sample if you go through the proper channels...

Xyz_39808 · Jan 21st, 2009, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhineasFreak

charity is very rarely taken as an excuse for breaking the law - but might be a successful argument for getting free reign to use a sample if you go through the proper channels...

Robinhood

djsanctuary · Feb 17th, 2009, 04:29 PM

if the material is copy right protected then yet it would be "illegal". But it all depends on your own ethics, and concience! The way i see it, if your not making money from the mash-up it can do any harm.

Mar 5th, 2008, 10:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
thill420 Addict in Training Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1	would this be illegal??.. hey guys.. just wondering your opinion on this... would taking samples that u download (through ********, websites and whatever) and then putting them together and making your own track to play at parties and w/e be illegal or piracy?? what do u think??

May 8th, 2008, 01:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
wfcamb Addict in Training Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5	I think as long as you're not at a big, popular place it should be fine.. I doubt an agent or investigator will be at a small party place to take you away.. But yeh.. Otherwise, like already mentioned, if you're not making money off of it, then you should be able to slip by with it.. Actually, if you think about it.. If you obtain the track illegally (through l!mew!re or other), then using it in your own stuff would probably be illegal too.. I dunno.. Just spittin' out ideas.. __________________ .:Dacheleigh:. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=791165 Hmm.. ******* is filtered, but L!mew!re is not.. :p

Jun 9th, 2008, 04:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chogull Addict in Training Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2	Re: Im not a legal expert, but it depends on the length of the sample used. You can use a certian amount of a song, though I dont believe you can use the actual technical sample recorded by the artist. Or if you can you might have to pay a fee to ASCAP. But then again you might not get caught.

Dec 27th, 2008, 06:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ridley DI Extreme Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,249	It probably is technically illegal, but as long as you keep it small scale its doubtful anyone would spend any time trying to punish you. Unless you live in the police state of Belgium (JK). __________________ From the depths of human kind with a weapon forged in the mind humanity's destiny will finally be released and in the process, Celestial Oblivion unleashed.

Jan 19th, 2009, 12:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
Garbs Senior Forum Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 736	Rather than post a thread on almost the same topic/question I have a slight variation. What about using sound samples from films? Say you rip a 10 second sample from different films and then use them as your vocals in your track. Can you get away with not asking the owner? A good example is Noisia & Phace: Cannonball where they use a sample from Anchorman (to great effect ) __________________ There's Trance around the World: I'm in a State of Trance whilst Searching for Sunrise. "Believe me, my sole purpose is to make as much money as possible ..." Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Mar 6th, 2008, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Black Ice Junior Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: United States of Music Posts: 51	I'm going to guess.. if you dont get paid for playing that playlist.. no? I'm not sure if its diff for other countries/states/regions etc... but im sure if you arent making a profit then its fine. But also if downloading artists that have a music production label is illegal.. i think taking samples counts as illegal i dunno lol

Mar 20th, 2008, 07:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kami68k Regular Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 220	Of course there is a copyright on samples, so you may not use them, unless the creator (or license holder) said you can, or you bought a CD. There are lots of sites around with free samples though, so you can search there if you need some samples.

May 8th, 2008, 08:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
ThaMan Regular Forum Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 316	I had a fee of 108€ from the music instance (SABAM - Belgium) I placed some samples to ID on my website + a ******** link to a mix of myself Argued till i was tired of it myself, but i was not able to do anything about it... and to get a lawyer was insane (though i could have won it) They see samples as streaming, and they we're hosted on a .be domain (they we're right about this, but if i dont know the samples, how in the hell could they ??? Who says the fee is goin to the rightfull owner then) About the link on my website ? It is hosted by ********, what did i do wrong then... if they want to play it hard they have to shut down 80% of the internet! I am thinking to get further with this stupid law (wich only exists in Belgium btw). I am goin to change my BE account to .COM or .NL with hosting in NL ! They don't suck on such things.... lame ass maffia pocket fillers Anyway i payed the Fee, called the stupid french chick and said "Rent a Gigolo and enjoy with my money"

Dec 24th, 2008, 06:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
Boux Addict in Training Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 6	nothing is illegal if you dont get caught.

Jan 2nd, 2009, 02:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
uberjoras Addict in Training Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States Posts: 4	Read the EULA's on the sites you get them from. Generally speaking, if you think something would be illegal, you're better off staying away from it until you ask the owner. If you bought them legally through a legitimate source, you shouldn't be worrying anyways.

Feb 17th, 2009, 04:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
djsanctuary Junior Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Weymouth · Dorset · UK Posts: 35	if the material is copy right protected then yet it would be "illegal". But it all depends on your own ethics, and concience! The way i see it, if your not making money from the mash-up it can do any harm. __________________ www.myspace.com/djalexsmith www.djalexsmith.com

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