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Unread Mar 5th, 2008, 10:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question would this be illegal??..

hey guys.. just wondering your opinion on this... would taking samples that u download (through ********, websites and whatever) and then putting them together and making your own track to play at parties and w/e be illegal or piracy?? what do u think??
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Unread Mar 6th, 2008, 07:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm going to guess.. if you dont get paid for playing that playlist.. no?
I'm not sure if its diff for other countries/states/regions etc... but im sure if you arent making a profit then its fine.

But also if downloading artists that have a music production label is illegal.. i think taking samples counts as illegal i dunno lol
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Unread Mar 20th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Of course there is a copyright on samples, so you may not use them, unless the creator (or license holder) said you can, or you bought a CD. There are lots of sites around with free samples though, so you can search there if you need some samples.
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I think as long as you're not at a big, popular place it should be fine.. I doubt an agent or investigator will be at a small party place to take you away.. But yeh.. Otherwise, like already mentioned, if you're not making money off of it, then you should be able to slip by with it.. Actually, if you think about it.. If you obtain the track illegally (through l!mew!re or other), then using it in your own stuff would probably be illegal too.. I dunno.. Just spittin' out ideas..
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I had a fee of 108€ from the music instance (SABAM - Belgium)
I placed some samples to ID on my website + a ********** link to a mix of myself

Argued till i was tired of it myself, but i was not able to do anything about it... and to get a lawyer was insane (though i could have won it)
They see samples as streaming, and they we're hosted on a .be domain (they we're right about this, but if i dont know the samples, how in the hell could they ??? Who says the fee is goin to the rightfull owner then)

About the link on my website ? It is hosted by **********, what did i do wrong then... if they want to play it hard they have to shut down 80% of the internet!
I am thinking to get further with this stupid law (wich only exists in Belgium btw).

I am goin to change my BE account to .COM or .NL with hosting in NL ! They don't suck on such things.... lame ass maffia pocket fillers
Anyway i payed the Fee, called the stupid french chick and said "Rent a Gigolo and enjoy with my money"
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Unread Jun 9th, 2008, 04:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Im not a legal expert, but it depends on the length of the sample used.
You can use a certian amount of a song, though I dont believe you can use the actual technical sample recorded by the artist.
Or if you can you might have to pay a fee to ASCAP.
But then again you might not get caught.
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Im not a legal expert, but it depends on the length of the sample used.
You can use a certian amount of a song, though I dont believe you can use the actual technical sample recorded by the artist.
Or if you can you might have to pay a fee to ASCAP.
But then again you might not get caught.
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I had a fee of 108€ from the music instance (SABAM - Belgium)
I placed some samples to ID on my website + a ********** link to a mix of myself

Argued till i was tired of it myself, but i was not able to do anything about it... and to get a lawyer was insane (though i could have won it)
They see samples as streaming, and they we're hosted on a .be domain (they we're right about this, but if i dont know the samples, how in the hell could they ??? Who says the fee is goin to the rightfull owner then)

About the link on my website ? It is hosted by **********, what did i do wrong then... if they want to play it hard they have to shut down 80% of the internet!
I am thinking to get further with this stupid law (wich only exists in Belgium btw).

I am goin to change my BE account to .COM or .NL with hosting in NL ! They don't suck on such things.... lame ass maffia pocket fillers
Anyway i payed the Fee, called the stupid french chick and said "Rent a Gigolo and enjoy with my money"
Wow Belgium really sux,
cant be proud that I am Belgian right now
So it is true, we really do have to pay for everything.
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Unread Dec 24th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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nothing is illegal if you dont get caught.
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nothing is illegal if you dont get caught.
that's about the dumbest thing you could say.
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that's about the dumbest thing you could say.
But it's so true though
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It probably is technically illegal, but as long as you keep it small scale its doubtful anyone would spend any time trying to punish you. Unless you live in the police state of Belgium (JK).
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It probably is technically illegal, but as long as you keep it small scale its doubtful anyone would spend any time trying to punish you. Unless you live in the police state of Belgium (JK).
Or the US.

It seems the great majority of copyright bullshit comes from RIAA.
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Read the EULA's on the sites you get them from. Generally speaking, if you think something would be illegal, you're better off staying away from it until you ask the owner. If you bought them legally through a legitimate source, you shouldn't be worrying anyways.
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Rather than post a thread on almost the same topic/question I have a slight variation.

What about using sound samples from films? Say you rip a 10 second sample from different films and then use them as your vocals in your track. Can you get away with not asking the owner?

A good example is Noisia & Phace: Cannonball where they use a sample from Anchorman (to great effect )
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What about using sound samples from films? Say you rip a 10 second sample from different films and then use them as your vocals in your track. Can you get away with not asking the owner?
Do you intend to make money from it? do you think your work will be heard by so many as to expose you to being sued for breach of copyright?
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Do you intend to make money from it? do you think your work will be heard by so many as to expose you to being sued for breach of copyright?
Not yet. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't in the future. It would be small time obviously as I'm not well known globally

But I was meaning my question in general. Also one more question ... instead of selling it for money, is it exactly the same if you were selling it but to raise money for charity?
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Not yet. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't in the future. It would be small time obviously as I'm not well known globally
the solution many upcoming artists resort to is to operate with illegal samples, releasing bootlegs/white labels until a song hits the big time, when they then let the big record label sort out the licensing of the sample... you're unlikely to get in trouble using little snippets from movies in your own tunes if you're not famous...

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But I was meaning my question in general. Also one more question ... instead of selling it for money, is it exactly the same if you were selling it but to raise money for charity?
charity is very rarely taken as an excuse for breaking the law - but might be a successful argument for getting free reign to use a sample if you go through the proper channels...
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charity is very rarely taken as an excuse for breaking the law - but might be a successful argument for getting free reign to use a sample if you go through the proper channels...
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if the material is copy right protected then yet it would be "illegal". But it all depends on your own ethics, and concience! The way i see it, if your not making money from the mash-up it can do any harm.
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