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Unread Jun 12th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #8881 (permalink)
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oh man im so jealous!

such an amazing car! the french aced it with that car.
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Unread Jun 13th, 2012, 03:52 AM   #8882 (permalink)
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Unread Jun 13th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #8883 (permalink)
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oh man im so jealous!

such an amazing car! the french aced it with that car.
Correction: the Germans aced it
You could say there have been three different Bugatti's. Automobiles E. Bugatti, which was the original french manufacturer it started with (mind that Ettore Bugatti himself was in fact Italian though!). Then in the 1990's there was Bugatti Automobili SpA in the Italian period in supercar valley, practically next door to Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati, DeTomaso, etc, during which they, of course, produced hypercars like the quad-turbo EB110.

And then when Volkswagen Group bought the rights to the brand name in 1998 they called it Bugatti Automobiles S.A.S, and their product is a dash of the previous Italian hypercar madness (they stuck with the quad turbo's, for example) combined with German engineering perfection and quality. The brand may have French roots, and the production facility may be in France again nowadays (right next to the German border), but that facility didn't even open until 2005 when production almost started. The whole Veyron project was initiated by, funded by, developed by and marketed for Volkswagen Group. And for that reason most of the big names in the Veyron project were/are German names
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Unread Jun 14th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #8884 (permalink)
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ha well there you go!
always thought it was a french owned and run company!
interesting history it has, i wonder why it moved around so much
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Unread Jun 14th, 2012, 07:59 AM   #8885 (permalink)
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The original company died with Etorre Bugatti himself in 1947. The original factory in Molsheim, France was destroyed by WW2 as well and there was nobody to run the company after Bugatti's death. There were various attempts to start producing cars again in the decades after but no more than a hand full of cars were built. They were still making air plane parts though and that part of the business was sold in the 1960's.

But it wasn't until 1987 when an Italian entrepreneur bought the rights to the name that they moved to Italy, and for the first time in years, continued making cars. That resulted in a few prototypes and the EB110. The italian based Bugatti went bust in the mid 90's and the factory was sold and the remaining parts and chassis were sold to Dauer Sportwagen (in Germany), which used those parts to build and develop 5 more EB110's in an attempt to relaunch the company. Which didn't work out. So the Bugatti car brand died once again.

And then Volkswagen Group bought the rights to the name in 1998 and started development of the Veyron. They of course needed a facility to actually build the Veyron so they went back to Molsheim, were it all started almost a century earlier. So in 2005 when production of the Veyron started they opened a brand new facility in Molsheim (france), in the actual estate Etorre Bugatti himself used to live in back in the day.
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Unread Jun 15th, 2012, 07:53 AM   #8886 (permalink)
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i dont understand the frowning around french cars. people mention them having poor quality and just being overall bad.
i drive a peugeot 206 gti. and i think its a great car. the only problem i ever had with it was the clutch needed replacing. but thats why i got it cheap.
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Some of them are very comfy and some of the little hatchbacks are nice and sporty, but up until the last few years quality was just terrible and they would break down all the time. Ride and handling quality used to be rather mediocre too. And then there's the interior... It's kinda hard to explain, and of course there are exceptions to all of the above, but i usually feel miserable after a long drive in a french car.
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Some of them are very comfy and some of the little hatchbacks are nice and sporty, but up until the last few years quality was just terrible and they would break down all the time. Ride and handling quality used to be rather mediocre too. And then there's the interior... It's kinda hard to explain, and of course there are exceptions to all of the above, but i usually feel miserable after a long drive in a french car.
the interior does have a few rattles appear every now and then and i fix them, but thats what you expect from a 10 year old car! but people saying its poor build quality is what i dont get.
but in saying that italian cars have poor build quality, they just mask it with speed and style
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Exactly. Italian sportcars make up for their problems with sheer fun. Ordinary cars like said french cars don't offer anything to make up for the problems and should just bring you from A to B...and if it's borked all the time it's not gonna be able to do that. It's not just about speed etc, though. Alfa Romeo is a great example...they are especially known for breaking down yet among car enthusiasts they are very popular. Some say you're not a real petrol head untill you've owned an Alfa and i kinda agree. They manage to capture some of that italian supercar flair and put it in normal cars. When i break down in the average french car it'll annoy me, if the same breakdown happens in my Alfa i'll happily accept it. I mean...why would anyone buy a Peugeot 308 when for the same money you could have an Alfa Romeo Giulietta?!
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Unread Jun 20th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #8894 (permalink)
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