Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[Thumper]

I have no emotion, if any, very little, because of women, which is why I am now celibate.

[its-exit]

Originally Posted by Thumper

I have no emotion, if any, very little, because of women, which is why I am now celibate.

Sounds like you have a lot of baggage.

Put the baggage down. It's the only thing slowing you down from living.

Only you, set up walls that inprison you.

[Thumper]

not quite. I have no baggage, I choose this lifestyle for the time being because it is less stressful, not to mention hella less expensive than women. Plus the last couple women I tried to make something of a relationship ended up being drama queens and I had no time for that.

I have chick friends but I do not wish to be in a relationship at this moment. I have no walls that imprison me, if anything I feel more free now than I did when I was dating or in a relationship.

[its-exit]

They say denial is the most effective defense mechanism.... lol

you say you have no baggage..... yet you blame women for your lack of emotion...

unless ofc you were just joking and I wasnt being very perceptive

[sushil_yadav]

Originally Posted by DJ Stev

technology and scientific thoughts and ideas is whats probably gonna get us out of this mess. (even though it may have gotten us here in the first place)

For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?



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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[Thirst]

We just need to put solar panels all over the place. A sustainable home blueprint should be made with solar power at its core. Then massive companies should be forecably liquidated (how else?) and all the money from their assets put into manufacturing tons of solar panels and their associated systems. All the people who worked for those companies would be out of work, but they could recieve these sustainable home packages first and for free. That still wouldnt work entirely as they'd need money for food etc but its still the least disruptive way i can think of regarding a major shift. Some people will just have to put up. It'll all collapse soon after anyway.
As for products we need stuff that will last. Solid things that wont need replacing, and do away with the marketing. We have that stuff now, but we're told its not fit for purpose as soon as a new version comes out. We need to develop around singular platforms and make it all work, focus on technologies that really matter. The reduction in consumerism will hurt economies but again its just something that has to happen.
If we improve education we could even make science properly entertaining for the masses. Have the top minds in media make reality shows and games about it or something. Our current education systems make the majority feel stupid and not bother, its completely wrong. People need to feel self-confident, and have reasons but above all a desire to discover things. All the consumerism being stripped back simultaneously would help that too. And legalise cannabis.

Ok that sounds shoddy and ill-concieved, but any plan to revolutionise will as long as its viewed in terms of its impacts on our current "anitquated systems" as Jack Nicholson would say. I'd actually like a totallitarian world order, because that would streamline everything and make it easier to enact a revolution.

Why isn't there more focus on refining solar panels anyway? Its like one field and one form. So simple.

[sushil_yadav]

Originally Posted by Thirst

The reduction in consumerism will hurt economies but again its just something that has to happen.

What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we compare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

Economy is a non-issue. Environment is important. Economy will not even exist without environment. Humans will not even exist without environment.

Modern society has plunged to extreme depths of insanity.

Modern society thinks it can be sustainable while it continues producing thousands of consumer goods.

Modern society thinks a peaceul world is possible while it continues to sell billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

Modern society thinks cancer can be cured while it continues flooding the ecosystems with thousands of carcinogens.

On a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference the first rule of sustainability is - destroy less.

We destroy ecosystems for food - for clothing - for shelter - and for thousands of consumer goods.

The less we destroy - the more sustainable we are.

The fewer things we make - the more sustainable we are.

On a small planet like earth only a non-consumerist society can be sustainable - only a society that destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter[and health care] can be sustainable.



When something goes wrong with our cars, computers and aeroplanes, we contact the manufacturer to know how they could be repaired - where they could be repaired.

All ecosystems on earth are getting destroyed moment by moment. To repair, restore and regenerate them we need to contact the manufacturer. But where is the manufacturer of ecosystems? There is no human manufacturer - There are no multiNational Companies that manufactured rivers and oceans, fertile soil, forests, millions of species, millions of members in millions of species, arctic ice and other glaciers.

About 30 years ago most people refused to believe that arctic ice was melting or could melt in future.

Then satellite pictures started appearing and provided proof with "before and after" pictures. People reluctantly accepted that ice was melting - but were still not alarmed. They said it would take hundreds of years - thousands of years for ice to melt to a dangerous level.

If we compare satellite pictures of arctic ice of this year with those taken 30 years ago we would know how alarming the situation is.

Every ecosystem is in grave danger. The doomsday scenario is approaching hundreds of times faster than predicted earlier. The signs - the indicators are already there - the recent climate changes - the extreme weather conditions - droughts, floods, fires, hurricanes and typhoons. The collapse has already happened for millions of other species - they have been decimated. Human collapse is very near - just around the corner.



Very soon science is going to announce the gene for environmental destruction.

Humans are not responsible for environmental destruction - it is the gene.

Humans are not responsible for anything - the genes are responsible for everything.

It is the gene which is responsible for obesity.

It is the gene which is responsible for cancer.

It is the gene which is responsible for violence/ aggression.

It is the gene which is responsible for mental suffering.


When it comes to Olympic medal they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

When it comes to Nobel Prize they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

When it comes to rewarding work they will pay million dollar salary to the CEO - not to the gene.

When it comes to "Theory of Relativity" they will give credit to Einstein - not to the gene.



On earth we have got oceans and oceans of water - which have been polluted/ poisoned by man - but this is hardly news for humans.

Recently Man bombarded the moon with a rocket to discover traces of water - and it became the newspaper headline across the world.

They call it progress, growth, development.

Height of insanity - Height of abnormality.

Don't search for a few molecules of water in outer space.

Take care of the water that is available on earth.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[krazykhalid]

I understand what your saying, and I agree with most of your points.

I do think man has the power to be better for the earth though... Why must we use our power for selfish/greedy needs?

The way society is driven is through the media nowadays... this is the MTV generation, The kids see real life as whats on TV, which is total bullshit fantasy, when the real world hits them they don't know what to think of it and they put it aside...

There is generally a lack of emotion in today's people and society, people are driven by their fake ego's, created by material objects that really shouldn't mean anything as to why you associate yourself with somebody, but because this new generation is raised by the media and not actual loving parents, how are they supposed to know what love and compassion really feels like?

I've met a couple crazy girls who want a baby just because "they are so cute" or "It would be so amazing to have a baby" etc... then i see mothers who are stressed out, and yell at their kids to shut up, swear at them and make them feel like shit whenever they do anything to piss the mother off, that is wrong... They snap at their children, and years down the road wonder why their kids turn out the way they did, angry at their parents and feeling lost and alone.

Parent's satisfy their kids by buying them toys and objects to make them happy but never spend quality time with their kids... How are these kids going to spend quality time with their significant others when they are older, and treat their children properly afterwards? The cycle continues, and the generations continue to get worse...

I can't wait to have a child of my own to raise and teach them to be open minded and kind to everyone... and to teach them the lessons of life that I've learnt myself so they don't have to suffer the pain I or anyone should have ever had too endure...

Obviously the reason people who have experienced these things, they see being greedy and buying their happiness as the human way of life, but that is not were true happiness lies, I praise those who've got the good things going for them and aren't cursed with being born into a ****ed up family who is on a set path to depression and destruction...

[EDM Synthase]

Although the day to day, conscious effects can be troubling and often times leave certain individuals with a tough life to live, I believe the industrial world and particularly how connected we are as a world society has had a vastly positive impact on our species, in a biological sense. I don't know about some of you guys, but I enjoy learning about the nervous system, partaking in certain substances, and although many conditions like depression, AD(H)D, schizophrenia, and so on, can be attributed to staring at televisions or seeing horrific images in magazines, I believe this acceleration or combinatorial effect on the nervous system is driving our capabilities to some relative extremes.

Call it a sort of expansion of consciousness, but in my mind, our ability to speak with individuals we never could have 20 years ago, to visit places until recently unreachable, to share and divulge in information, understand new topics in mathematics, science, physics, and engineering, all of these are driving our thought processes to a more complex system of overlapping dendrites and highly integrated neural pathways. Of course, our butts (and hearts) may be suffering due to our more stagnant lifestyle, corn-syrup-infused-everything diets, and the stress of the modern work day, but look at how music has thrived in the past 50 years alone, look how far we've come in terms of research and technology. Could all of this be a coincidence? Or are we doing something to our minds?

We know that as living organisms, we react to the environment in intricate ways, and so while there are evils inherent with an industrial society, we cannot ignore the fact that it is not some outside force which is driving this "push", but rather our inquisitive biology that wants to see more, feel more, hear more, taste more, smell more, know more; and so we can either accept the direction we are headed as an inevitable hell (remember, if "life" didn't "want" us to reach this point, something millenia ago would have shut off part of our conscious abilities), or, grasp it tightly, poke and probe at life, and let everyone have a chance to experience all the wonders of the nervous system before we return to the universe.

[ediblesound]

Recently I found a piece by edward abbey that might be of interest.
http://www.unique-design.net/library/nature/abbey.html
Touring the links on this page reveals even more interesting ideas.

Elsewhere I had a thought of putting two words together. Cloud energy. Like cloud computing, cloud storage cloud whathaveyou. ( and like cloud consciousness, cloud thinking...)
I don't totally understand cloud computing, but the general gist I get of it is similar to the idea of holographic brain function theories, in that functions are not bound to operate out of a certain sector of the brain... So, to run a software program that has it's resources spread about in various physical storage locations. We treat energy like matter, like- I got sixty marbles in this bucket. In this empty bucket I ain't got no marbles. oh no! what do i do? I want some marbles in my other bucket, lol! So I move some marbles from bucket to the other one. With data, you can copy virtual marbles about.

What if matter and energy......?

kinda matrixy, but seriously why not?

To have any effect on the physical universe at this "level" where the "stuff" is essentially like "virtual data," what am I going to do? build a bigger reactor?

[ediblesound]

So now- what's the "background" of data? what is the basic predatacapacity for datas? and it's limitations? Hardware... memory? Is it quantified to indivisible units? or we have a resolution scale for grading amounts of it I suppose. I'm not talking about bytes. how is the physical storage part of computer memory quantified? How much physical Cartesian Newtonian space or capacity does a onezero take up? or how much physical capacity does the smallest bit of independent datastuff exhaust, or occupy, or tie up? and how is that physical capacity defined? Is it limited, if so, what limits it?

Can data storage be pushed past the requirement of physical memory storage "capacity?"

and for the electromagnetic field stuffs? what might be the background hardware of emfstuffs?

Just imagine, then, -what kind of "technology" makes lawyers guns and money totally irrelevant? What if the use of this technology depended not on ingenuity alone, but on simple understanding? In otherwords, a kind of technology that could not be stolen and needs no protection from falling into the "wrong" hands...

In all the fancy designs and mind expanding toys and comicbook peer review science, could we be looking past the answer beneath our very noses? Whilst trailing drips of waxy wings?

Destroy nature? Like, you mean, deleting something virtual and ever redundant? Oops! Better reinstall from backup...

But then, am I just data untraceable within some vast cloud universe?? What am I? subject to rearranging? disassembling? Then what? or, if so- So What!?


Or am I the re-arranger and assembler, restructurer and designer, by nature, of nature? Who then is the manufacturer? What is the letter to send, or method of contact with restoration?

[ediblesound]

How much space does empty space take up?