recycled guns for peace

[J!SH!]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=2521,752806

this article shows how a group is recycling guns to make jewelery.
the money goes to getting guns off our streets

what a great idea. with all the shootings and kill with guns why not turn them from a thing of killing into a thing of peace

[t r a n c e . o h m]

How is it great? This is a fail in the making. Not everyone is gonna give up their guns, and those who do leave themselves open and defenseless to increased crime rates. Your necklace isn't gonna get you out of a confrontation in a dark alley, even if you have a brick attached to it (in which case you would deserve to get shot for wearing one around your neck in the first place).

[J!SH!]

well where do you live to get mugged all the time!!!!!!!!
and do you carry a gun with you all the time?
the only thing guns should be used for are police and army, so for qualified people. NOT just a standard gun license

[logistix]

guns are ****ed. get em outta here...

[psi2941]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

[Dustwave]

Originally Posted by t r a n c e . o h m

How is it great? This is a fail in the making. Not everyone is gonna give up their guns, and those who do leave themselves open and defenseless to increased crime rates.

Ugh. Now that is a fail. Someone please shoot this guy (pun intended)

Increased crime rates? False. The facts say otherwise. Google some murder statistics or something.
Open and defenceless? Huh? Wut? Why? Why is it always Americans who say that? Why have i never heard anyone from my country (or any other west european country for that matter), where nobody has a gun, say anything like that?

And the whole idea that a gun is some sort of magical protection unit is wrong to begin with. Even if you have a gun there's a fair chance it won't protect you if something does happen. Either you won't be able to grab it in time, you'll miss or it simply won't be any good against what/whoever is attacking you. And at the same time you are creating the problem. If everybody has a gun, so do the bad guys. If nobody has a gun, neither do the bad guys. Sure, the persistent ones could probably still get a gun somehow but unless you're involved in the criminal world you wouldn't have to worry about those people.

[psi2941]

Originally Posted by Dustwave

And the whole idea that a gun is some sort of magical protection unit is wrong to begin with. Even if you have a gun there's a fair chance it won't protect you if something does happen.

Originally Posted by Dustwave

If nobody has a gun, neither do the bad guys. Sure, the persistent ones could probably still get a gun somehow but unless you're involved in the criminal world you wouldn't have to worry about those people.

sigh, just please watch this video please! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

[ij70_17as]

Yeah, gold has hit 1150 dollars per once, silver is 18.50 dollars per ounce. So the artists moved from gold and silver to steel which is far cheaper. Makes perfect sense to me.

[-ROX-]

Originally Posted by Dustwave

If nobody has a gun, neither do the bad guys. Sure, the persistent ones could probably still get a gun somehow but unless you're involved in the criminal world you wouldn't have to worry about those people.

While I mostly agree with the rest of your post, this statement doesn't hold water, and if you read deeper into the matter you will find that it's exactly the opposite - banning guns makes it impossible for normal law abiding citizens to get one legally, while criminals couldn't care less about the law, and it's relatively easy to get a gun in criminal circles. Which makes criminals have guns and puts their potential victims in a great disadvantage. I remember Britain having the highest handgun murder rate in Europe a few years ago yet handguns are completely illegal there. It *will not* matter to criminals if they are banned, they will get them regardless. Like drugs, prohibition doesn't really work.

And for the record, I'm not a gun defense nut that would carry one on the streets with my finger on the trigger waiting for someone to try and mug me, but I do love guns because I'm a gun enthusiast, I never killed anything than a bug, I'm not aggressive and don't get into fights, and I love guns. And I don't care if there's no "legitimate reason" for me to own one (as the "guns' only purpose is killing" crowd would like to point out), legitimate reason is not anyone's business as long as I don't commit crimes with my gun.

I also will keep a gun in my home when I move to my own place, because it's better to have one than not to have one. I may not be paranoid when walking the street but I am very paranoid of anyone I love (future wife/kids) getting hurt while I could have done something to prevent it.

As far as gun laws go, my country has it just about right. In most of the US guns are handed out too easily, in half of Europe it's the opposite and most guns are banned completely from civilians. The best is in between, legal non-automatic weapons (though automatic weapons: ) under a permit which can only be obtained under strict background/psychological criteria. As always, a controlled system rather than an outright ban is a much better option. Almost all gun crime in my country is from illegally owned guns.

As far as recycled guns for peace, I think it's a positive symbolic action, but that it will actually reduce crime/bring peace, no.

[DJ_Serg]

Originally Posted by Dustwave

Ugh. Now that is a fail. Someone please shoot this guy (pun intended)

Increased crime rates? False. The facts say otherwise. Google some murder statistics or something.
Open and defenceless? Huh? Wut? Why? Why is it always Americans who say that? Why have i never heard anyone from my country (or any other west european country for that matter), where nobody has a gun, say anything like that?

It is only the Americans. US has 5 unstable or depressed sons of bitches carrying a gun per square mile. This country's a big loony bin. If you're not mentally retarded, you're probably obese and still want to kill yourself. lol

[ij70_17as]

Originally Posted by DJ_Serg

It is only the Americans. US has 5 unstable or depressed sons of bitches carrying a gun per square mile. This country's a big loony bin. If you're not mentally retarded, you're probably obese and still want to kill yourself. lol

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

From Statue of Liberty.

[Dustwave]

Originally Posted by psi2941

sigh, just please watch this video please! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

That didn't change my mind even the slightest bit. I rather believe the hard statistics. See, the thing is, i've heard all kinds of explanations why it is not directly related. But the statistics still say the US has far more gun crimes than for example west European countries. That's a fact. I'm more than willing to believe the reason for that is NOT because weapons are so wide spread, but i have yet to hear another theory that makes sense. Give me a theory with facts to prove it and i'll believe it.

The bit about gun crimes going up when they were banned makes total sense. The problem is that once the weapons are there you can't just start over. You can't ban them and that's it. The guns are already out there and the morals are already established, etc. It makes nothing but sense that the crime rate went up. I think you wouldn't see a difference until many decades later when the guns are starting to flush out of the system. My point is not ban weapons now, that wouldn't work. My opinion is that they shouldn't have been allowed in the first place. But hey...that's not how things are...

Btw...did your name just change or am i going crazy?

Originally Posted by -ROX-

banning guns makes it impossible for normal law abiding citizens to get one legally

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying ban guns altogether. I think they are awesome fun on the shooting range for example (but definitely not for protection). But they should be very well controlled and it should be everything but easy to get one.

Originally Posted by -ROX-

while criminals couldn't care less about the law

That's not entirely true. Ofcourse the underworld big boys don't care, but the majority of criminals aren't maffia hitmen and crazy gang members. Most of them are just minor criminals who did minor things. Going from just a little petty thief to an armed petty thief is one hell of a difference here. Good chance you'll make the national news if you actually use it.

Ofcourse those who really want it are still be able to get a gun in a country where that's illegal. I didn't say they can't, i specifically said they can. I'm sure it's easy to get a gun in the right criminal circles, but the majority of criminals are not part of such circles. The majority of criminals are just little petty thieves etc. And it's not just that it's harder for them to get a gun, there are also moral boundaries.

Originally Posted by -ROX-

I remember Britain having the highest handgun murder rate in Europe a few years ago yet handguns are completely illegal there.

Yeah but even at the top of the list of Europe, it is still way below the US.

Anyway...no point discussing this again...we already had a thread about this a while ago which (despite being good entertainment ) didn't really go anywhere...so let's just stay on topic. Those jewels are a fun symbolic way, but yeah...it won't make an actual difference.

Originally Posted by DJ_Serg

It is only the Americans. US has 5 unstable or depressed sons of bitches carrying a gun per square mile. This country's a big loony bin. If you're not mentally retarded, you're probably obese and still want to kill yourself. lol

Oh so that's where they filmed that movie Idiocracy?

[DJ_Serg]

Originally Posted by ij70_17as

From Statue of Liberty.

Oh boy, here we go with 'the land of the free' stuff. You can't be serious by putting law into the hands of people. I mean, that's what you're implying. Serve your own justice because you're free to do anything in this country. And you know what, maybe it could work, but not when there is 60% chance that you're next door neighbor is a depressed maniac. No, this works in a HEALTHY society. So, what all this means is that there is something fundamentally flawed with the society we live in. I mean, why is everyone on Prozac lately? I'm sure this wasn't the case back in 1800s when that line was written. I'm not saying that those words don't apply today. They most certainly do. It is a free country. But free is a relative and loosely defined term. A completely free society is what cavemen were. So do you want to roll back to stone age?

The way i look at it is there are 2 ways to fix a problem. You can keep putting band aids on it and wait until it breaks again. You can strike it at the root and fix it once and for all. Giving guns to protect yourself from others like you is putting a band aid on the problem. Increasing penalties on crimes and elevating more crimes to the death sentence status is striking at the root of the issue. The fact that most prisoners come back within a few months and they come back multiple times is an indication that there is no incentive for them to stop. So, get rid of them. They serve no purpose in society.

[psi2941]

Originally Posted by Dustwave

My point is not ban weapons now, that wouldn't work.

HEY SOMETHING WE CAN BOTH AGREE ON, I guess i can keep my 2 assualt rifles and 2 hand guns.

Originally Posted by Dustwave

My opinion is that they shouldn't have been allowed in the first place. But hey...that's not how things are...

I disagree, my view can be best described by Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Also when the US dollar collapse soon I think my guns will be more valuable then the toilet paper dollar.

Originally Posted by Dustwave

Btw...did your name just change or am i going crazy?

Yup you must be going crazy :P
http://forums.di.fm/general-non-prem...r-name-184835/

[DJ Stev]

ugh we just spent an entire week discussing gun control laws in school and it basically like always went no where.

some people said "we shouldnt have gun becuase kids get their hands on them and kill themselves"

ppl replied "put them ina safe"
which then responded by "what if ur being attacked and dont have time to open your safe?"

the thing is illigal gun traficcing is grossly rampant in the sates. all you got to do is visit a little place we like to call the South......

Yeah all the mexican drug lords come to the states to buy some nice pieces so they can totally dominate the military down there.
but even in the states its getting scary and i mean citizens with guns!

so im reading the paper the other day and it was some state's genius idea to have citezens pass a certain course and certification training and then they can now carry guns in public.......................shit

so now we have a bunch of armed citizens just ready to play frking cowboys and indians. jesus christ are you seriously?


watch out kids its gonna be a wild one

[ij70_17as]

Originally Posted by DJ_Serg

Increasing penalties on crimes and elevating more crimes to the death sentence status is striking at the root of the issue. The fact that most prisoners come back within a few months and they come back multiple times is an indication that there is no incentive for them to stop. So, get rid of them. They serve no purpose in society.

I agree with that.

[ij70_17as]

Originally Posted by DJ Stev

Yeah all the mexican drug lords come to the states to buy some nice pieces so they can totally dominate the military down there.
but even in the states its getting scary and i mean citizens with guns!

LOL. Mexican criminals do not buy guns in US.

The civilian guns like AR-15 and AK/AKM look alike do not have burst/full auto feature that military versions have. Buying civilian guns in US is pointless for the Mexican criminals.

Buying military firearms in US is very difficult because you have to deal with Federal Government. I do not see Mexican criminals doing that.

So. Where do Mexican criminals get their military weapons. The AKs come from China and some from Eastern Europe through second and third parties. The American weapons like M-16 come from Mexican government and other governments in Latin America that are supplied by US government. For example, it is not all that rare for Mexican army soldier to desert and take his M-16 with him.

The idea that Mexican criminals buy weapons in US is grossly out of touch.

[DJ Stev]

Originally Posted by ij70_17as

LOL. Mexican criminals do not buy guns in US.
The civilian guns like AR-15 and AK/AKM look alike do not have burst/full auto feature that military versions have. Buying civilian guns in US is pointless for the Mexican criminals.

tsk tsk.

im not talking about civilian guns im talking about military grade. not guns u find at a your local dicks sporting goods im talking about underground gun shows man. asault rifles, gernades, 50 cals the big guns dude. they arent just walking around with ak's man theyve got shit that the military in mexico would love to get funding to buy

[J!SH!]

Originally Posted by DJ Stev

tsk tsk.

im not talking about civilian guns im talking about military grade.

its called the middle eastern markets
the big boys would just import everything they want from wepons dealers that travel around war torn areas. then theres the military to save the day ...... we wish. the fact that guns are everywhere is disgusting and guns shouldnt be given to any civilians at all. i think its good that thier taking guns and destroying them. they should do this with all guns. guns should be for millitary and police personal and no one else.
and ij70_17as its a bit horrible that you have guns as your avatar. guns are a waste of metal. metal that could be used for so much more. im sure if you melted down all the civilian owned guns in the world and turned them into other things and sold them off you could knock a HUGE chunk out of poverty.

[ij70_17as]

Originally Posted by DJ Stev

tsk tsk.

im not talking about civilian guns im talking about military grade.

The military grade weapons are not bought in US. They buy them from our friends in Honduras, Columbia, etc. We give weapons to governments of those countries, a few thousand trickle down to black market. It is simply too difficult to buy military grade weapons in US, too much red tape. Too many people asking too many questions...