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Unread Sep 19th, 2006, 02:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Now there is laws what age you can date a person, I was wondering if someone dates someone who is under 18 in CA is it considered Statutory rape? Even when there is no sex involved at all? It's just relationship and thats it.
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can't say I've heard of that but if it's true then it's a typically stupid law. As much as it can be frowned upon dating someone underage it should not be illegal until sexual contact is made
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So if I am 22 and want to ask a 16 year old female out would that be fine? along as there is no sex?
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i dunno, i think it would be ok but dont let her parents find out

but the age of consent here is 16
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So if I am 22 and want to ask a 16 year old female out would that be fine? along as there is no sex?
Well, if you were in Scotland or the UK for that matter then yes that would be perfectly ok. You can have sex when your 16 over here anyway

I understand you are from the US mate but again I cannot see what the problem is. If you were 22 and seeing a 15 year old then it might be frowned upon by the state (and the general public). At 16 I feel you should have more rights as you are a more grown up person in my opinion.

I also should reiterate that I am not familiar with the law in America, well in any states cause most of them are different. Your state may forbid a relationship in whatever form with a person under a certain age even if you are just taking them to the movies etc

You might want to check with your states official website and perhaps contact an official via email or even ask a cop!

But like I say, over here you can date a 15 year old just as long as there is no sexual contact between you. I'd think it was the same over there with a 16 year old but hey - it's the US! You can get busted in one state for hanging out your underpants along with a member of the opposite sexes!
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Better of not taking the risks I guess, oh well must find someone around my age lol! or wait 2 years until she is 18!
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over here its 16 .. but if your under 16 i think its 2 years older or younger is also aloud depending on how old .. like i dont think 10 year olds can have sex.
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PENAL CODE
SECTION 261-269

261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual
intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the
perpetrator, if the person is a minor.
For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person
under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person
who is at least 18 years of age.
(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years
older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is
guilty of a misdemeanor.

(c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than
the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and
shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one
year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
(d) Any person over the age of 21 years who engages in an act of
unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age
is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished
by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years.
(e) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, an
adult who engages in an act of sexual intercourse with a minor in
violation of this section may be liable for civil penalties in the
following amounts:
(A) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor less than two years younger than the adult is liable for
a civil penalty not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000).
(B) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor at least two years younger than the adult is liable for
a civil penalty not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000).
(C) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse
with a minor at least three years younger than the adult is liable
for a civil penalty not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000).
(D) An adult over the age of 21 years who engages in an act of
unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor under 16 years of age is
liable for a civil penalty not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars
($25,000).
(2) The district attorney may bring actions to recover civil
penalties pursuant to this subdivision. From the amounts collected
for each case, an amount equal to the costs of pursuing the action
shall be deposited with the treasurer of the county in which the
judgment was entered, and the remainder shall be deposited in the
Underage Pregnancy Prevention Fund, which is hereby created in the
State Treasury. Amounts deposited in the Underage Pregnancy
Prevention Fund may be used only for the purpose of preventing
underage pregnancy upon appropriation by the Legislature.



261.6. In prosecutions under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289,
in which consent is at issue, "consent" shall be defined to mean
positive cooperation in act or attitude pursuant to an exercise of
free will. The person must act freely and voluntarily and have
knowledge of the nature of the act or transaction involved.
A current or previous dating or marital relationship shall not be
sufficient to constitute consent where consent is at issue in a
prosecution under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289.
Nothing in this section shall affect the admissibility of evidence
or the burden of proof on the issue of consent.



261.7. In prosecutions under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289,
in which consent is at issue, evidence that the victim suggested,
requested, or otherwise communicated to the defendant that the
defendant use a condom or other birth control device, without
additional evidence of consent, is not sufficient to constitute
consent.
Updates 04-2001:

From District Attorney (http://www.stanislaus-da.org/statutory_rape.htm)

What is Statutory Rape?
Statutory Rape is unlawful sexual intercourse with someone
under the age of 18.

What is Vertical Prosecution?
Vertical Prosecution means one prosecutor handling the
case from issuance to final disposition. Studies show that
when it comes to crimes of a personal and sexual nature one
attorney handling all aspects of the case, from charging
through sentencing, increases effectiveness in
understanding the dynamics of each particular case and the
needs of each victim.

Do WE PROSECUTE EVERY CASE?
No. We are evaluating each case independently to determine if
criminal charges are appropriate.

WHY SO MUCH ATTENTION TO STATUTORY RAPE?

California has the highest teen birth rate in the U.S.

Every 8 minutes, a teenager in California has a baby.

3 of 4 births to High School girls are fathered by adults.

Men over 25 account for twice as many teen births as boys under 18 years old.

The Average Age difference between the teen victim and the adult defendant in cases filed by the District
Attorney is 7years 9months.

Men over 20 are responsible for 5 times as many births among junior high school girls.

In California almost 70% of teen births are fathered by adult men.

On an average California day 76 teenage girls, 17 & younger, will give birth.

In Stanislaus County over 6% of teenage girls will give birth in any given year.

In 1993 1,572 births in California were to mothers 14 years or younger.

The rate of sexually transmitted disease among teenage girls is twice that of teenage boys.

This all translates into a tremendous drain in our welfare and medical resources statewide.

AFDC and Medi-Cal costs for 1 teen pregnancy, birth and 1st year support is $10,000.

Total costs for teen births to those 17 and younger in 1993 for California were $140 million.


WHAT CAN BE DONE?

Spread the word that all reports of statutory rape are being evaluated and in appropriate cases charges are being filed.

You can report any knowledge of Statutory Rape to local Law Enforcement or to the District Attorney's Statutory Rape Vertical Prosecution Unit.

The number of Teenage Pregnancies has declined every year in Stanislaus County since the Statutory Rape Vertical Prosecution unit was started. Since 1996, over Five Hundred and Thirty cases of Statutory Rape have been reported in Stanislaus County. Of the 530 plus cases, 95 defendants have been sentenced to County Jail or State Prison, 56 have completed the Stanislaus County Statutory Rape Diversion Program, and the remainder are awaiting processing or
have been processed in an appropriate fashion. The average age difference between the victim and the defendant in cases reported in Stanislaus County is over 6 years. The largest age difference reported since 1996 was 31 years. The Statutory Rape Vertical Prosecution Unit of the Stanislaus County District Attorney’s Office is an integral part of a concerted effort on the part of our citizens to reduce teen pregnancy.





In re T.A.J. (1998) 62 Cal.App.4th 1350 [73 Cal.Rptr.331]. Court of Appeal, First District, Division 2.
From: (http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/programs...nquency-13.htm)

A juvenile court petition was filed alleging that a 16-year-old boy had sexual intercourse with a 14-year-old female. The
petition alleged the child engaged in statutory and forcible rape. At the jurisdictional hearing the only issue was
whether the sexual encounter was consensual. The juvenile court found that the act was consensual and that the
statutory rape charge was true, but made no finding with regard to the forcible rape count. The child appealed,
contending that Penal Code section 261.5 was unconstitutional, both facially and as applied to him. Specifically, he
contended that the statute (1) violated his right to privacy under the California Constitution and (2) may not be
constitutionally applied to him since he was a member of the class the statute was designed to protect. The Court of
Appeal rejected both contentions. First, the court held that American Academy of Pediatrics v. Lungren (1997) 16
Cal.4th 307, did not confer upon children the right to engage in consensual sexual intercourse. "While we do not ignore
the reality that many California teenagers are sexually active, that fact alone does not establish that minors have a
right to privacy to engage in sexual intercourse. We accept the premise that due to age and immaturity, minors often
lack the ability to make fully informed choices that take account of both immediate and long-range consequences."
The court further found that the reasonable expectation of privacy that exists for a child deciding whether to have an
abortion (American Academy of Pediatrics v. Lungren, supra, 16 Cal.4th at p.373), "cannot be imputed to their
decision to engage in consensual sexual intercourse." On the child's second contention, the court noted that the
legislative intent behind the statutory rape law was to make illegal sexual intercourse both between children and adults
and between children. Although children cannot be prosecuted for felony statutory rape (unlawful intercourse between
an adult and a child) because the child is the victim in such a crime, there is no parallel with regard to misdemeanor
statutory rape, which by its terms involves sexual intercourse between two children.



Santa Clara County Reporting Rules for STATUTORY RAPE
(http://www.cacscc.org/pdfs/reportminors.pdf)

Along as there is no sexual content than its fine thats were I am getting at, but if there is kissing or touch I mean how far do they mean no sexual content. lLso I did check up on Google just wanted to make sure that I get the right info even though I read this but thanks still for the link.
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You're 22... why do you want a relationship with a high school girl. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but damn!@
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You're 22... why do you want a relationship with a high school girl. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but damn!@

It don't matter I am not going to have one I was just wondering. Anyways there is this other girl if you saw her you would drool! Lol!
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You could make an arguement for picking grapes off the vine before some fool ruins the winemaking (or in the case of college sororities getting them out of the vat so they don't get ruined by sitting with the sour), but there is a delicate point of being just ripe enough.
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Along as there is no sexual content than its fine thats were I am getting at, but if there is kissing or touch I mean how far do they mean no sexual content. lLso I did check up on Google just wanted to make sure that I get the right info even though I read this but thanks still for the link.
I think if you're trying to rationalize a relationship on the grounds that it's legally not statutory rape then....(If I read it right, I know you're not personally looking)
Maybe I'm not understanding the question.

The main thing to remember when trying to tread this line is that you will never be the one interpreting what is and what is not crossing the line. It will be her, her parents, her friends, etc.
It's shaky ground with a slippery slope.

But as far as just cut and dry law is concerned, people hang out all the time. No petting, no penalty.

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People seem to get the wrong idea when a man dates a much younger girl, yet not so much the other way around. In my opinion, there shouldn't be an age limit on love. However, it is complicated to understand another's true feelings and mistake "love" for "attraction".
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like i dont think 10 year olds can have sex.
I don't think there would be too many 10 years old wanting to have sex in the first place
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huh huh huh....

hey Beavis, he said "penal"....

huh huh huh...
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yeah! he he he he

Penal he he he cool he he he he

God I used to watch that nonsense....... it was funny as hell!
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Now there is laws what age you can date a person, I was wondering if someone dates someone who is under 18 in CA is it considered Statutory rape? Even when there is no sex involved at all? It's just relationship and thats it.
You will be fine. Just as long as there is no sexual contact. You can hang out as, "friends." Albeit, close "friends," but keep it at that. When she's 18.. booyah!!!

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You will be fine. Just as long as there is no sexual contact. You can hang out as, "friends." Albeit, close "friends," but keep it at that. When she's 18.. booyah!!!

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thats hard to do.. ppl change a lot you can't expect everything to go so smoothly
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You're 22... why do you want a relationship with a high school girl. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but damn!@
he wants to get there before the hair....
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