Digitally Imported Homepage

Go Back   Digitally Imported Forums > Daily Life > Science & Technology
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Apr 29th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
JimProdz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 3,455
Default perception of time

Does anyone have any examples from the internet of people who, for example, "perceive" themselves as spending "more than one year" staying at the same age?

I'm interested because I believe similar phenomena exist.

Last edited by JimProdz : Apr 29th, 2007 at 04:17 PM.
JimProdz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29th, 2007, 05:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
DI Chronic Addict
 
Bubble Wrap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hypnagogia
Posts: 8,975
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimProdz
Does anyone have any examples from the internet of people who, for example, "perceive" themselves as spending "more than one year" staying at the same age?

I'm interested because I believe similar phenomena exist.
theirs plenty of examples. When I was studying schizophrenia in my psychology class. They'll think they've had the disorder for three years when they've actually had it for 20
__________________
"Hasheesh helped a great deal, and once sent him to a part of space where form does not exist, but where glowing gases study the secrets of existence. And a violet-coloured gas told him that this part of space was outside what he had called infinity"
Bubble Wrap is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29th, 2007, 05:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
JimProdz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 3,455
Default

There could be a couple of explanations there BubbleWrap: either they don't believe in their diagnosis for their first 17 years of it... or perhaps something went wrong with the memory.

But what you said seems to display an example of perceiving yourself to have had less time than you've actually had...I was looking for examples of people who think, for example, "the period 2006 to 2007 keeps repeating on me!" or something like that. But thanks anyway for the insight.
JimProdz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29th, 2007, 08:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
Endless Blue
 
Dustwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Viewing Smilies
Posts: 23,361
Default

Interesting i read this now as i just watched The Butterfly Effect (again).
__________________
Ocean to Shore

www.dustwave.net

"What can I say I'm eloquent and thus do not necessary need to utilize expletives in making my rebuttals." - shahsxfx
Dustwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Apr 29th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
DJ_Serg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 4,517
Default

there is a phenomenon where a person just doesn't age. The scary part of it is that at some point in time they will age abruptly. It usually happens within a day if not 6-8 hours. This also leaves them with a crap load of health problems because while they are amazed that they're so hyper and active, they're essentially overworking their body and developing heart problems and etc etc etc.
__________________
The Sellex Project: http://www.sellexproject.com
- You touch me, I feel you
- Your presence surrounds me
- I float away...
- You are my guide, You are my light, You take me to a place where i can shine
DJ_Serg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
JimProdz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 3,455
Default





This timeline suggests the theory of a loop. This is clearly the main loop but in turn gives rise to the idea of this loop possibly occurring on a smaller scale... loops within the main loop in other words. Dr Who meets reality in the minds of some, it appears.
JimProdz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
DI Chronic Addict
 
Onitam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Kelowna, Canada
Posts: 13,229
Send a message via AIM to Onitam Send a message via MSN to Onitam
Default

when did time begin ?
__________________
Mr. Gielen's Sidekick

Mekka - Diamondback (Ben Gold Remix)
tranceUNITED Supreme Episode 052 - DITO
Greg Downey - on DI.fm (July 2007) with Barry Connell
Onitam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 04:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
fugue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,022
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onitam
when did time begin ?
That's a nonsensical question because time didn't exist prior to time beginning. So you can't answer with something like "just after God decided to prevent everything from happening at once" because obviously there was no time for God to make such a decision.
__________________
If I can't dance you can keep your revolution!
fugue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 05:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
Endless Blue
 
Dustwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Viewing Smilies
Posts: 23,361
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fugue
That's a nonsensical question because time didn't exist prior to time beginning. So you can't answer with something like "just after God decided to prevent everything from happening at once" because obviously there was no time for God to make such a decision.
So then, what caused time to "begin". There has to be something, even if it can't be explained rationally.
__________________
Ocean to Shore

www.dustwave.net

"What can I say I'm eloquent and thus do not necessary need to utilize expletives in making my rebuttals." - shahsxfx
Dustwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 05:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
fugue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,022
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustwave
So then, what caused time to "begin". There has to be something, even if it can't be explained rationally.
You can't answer that question either because causation is directly linked to the concept of time. If I told you what caused time to begin, then you could ask me what it was that caused the thing which caused time to begin, thus implying that time somehow existed prior to time beginning.

One day when I become a light beam and manage to escape this ridiculous realm of time, and when human language has invented the words to describe things more clearly, I will get back to you with a better explanation
__________________
If I can't dance you can keep your revolution!
fugue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 05:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
DI Chronic Addict
 
Onitam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Kelowna, Canada
Posts: 13,229
Send a message via AIM to Onitam Send a message via MSN to Onitam
Default

what is time ?
__________________
Mr. Gielen's Sidekick

Mekka - Diamondback (Ben Gold Remix)
tranceUNITED Supreme Episode 052 - DITO
Greg Downey - on DI.fm (July 2007) with Barry Connell
Onitam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 15th, 2007, 05:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
fugue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,022
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onitam
what is time ?
Time is the measure of change
__________________
If I can't dance you can keep your revolution!
fugue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 16th, 2007, 02:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
JimProdz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 3,455
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onitam
when did time begin ?
Presumably it began at 0 since I can't imagine "minus" time. How could there be a year -2000 or such like?
JimProdz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 16th, 2007, 09:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
DI Chronic Addict
 
shahsxfx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 5,060
Default

Wait what!?
I don't really understand your question here mate!
Are you talking about a physics issue or a psych issue.
If it's psych your looking for, then the issue would have to do with memory and some sort of memory problem where by people are unable to dissern recent memories from old memories.
shahsxfx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 16th, 2007, 10:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
Senior Forum Addict
 
Deimya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Zürich
Posts: 720
Default

It is not yet clear how psychological time is related to physical, or physics time. While sometime we would (or feel) like to be able to distinguish between both, no such distinction is being done while using the physical "time" concept; it is a parameter, or better yet, a coordinate used along with spatial ones to give an invariant (read : extremely convenient) distance between "events" (with special thanks to Einstein and Poincaré).

Talking of perceiving time, or time perception, necessitate the introduction of a perceiving process, or human in this case. How this process is linked to physical time is a completely open question. Indeed, while hormonal and chemical clocks do exist in living creatures, their relation to the conscious experience of (the illusion of ?) time is also unclear (read : completely unknown).

All we have is a subjective experience which, we remember, changes. It gives one the feeling of "ongoing-ness".

edit : going back the topic, I have no idea what one year feels like for you or anybody else, so it would be hard to tell. Worse yet, I would have absolutely no way of sharing with you my impression of time.
__________________
The future is a race between education and catastrophe.
-- H.G. Wells

Last edited by Deimya : Jul 16th, 2007 at 10:57 PM.
Deimya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 17th, 2007, 05:49 AM   #16 (permalink)
Regular Forum Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: orange county, CA, usa
Posts: 282
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shahsxfx
Wait what!?
I don't really understand your question here mate!
Are you talking about a physics issue or a psych issue.
If it's psych your looking for, then the issue would have to do with memory and some sort of memory problem where by people are unable to dissern recent memories from old memories.
I experience this often. I am 22 and when asked how old I am will often begin to say 18. Then I remember how old I am and correct myself. I almost feel shocked at how old I am each time it happens .

So in answer to your question. Yes there is an example of that phenomenon on the internet...this post
__________________
Moog gave us an instrument with an X-factor, and if you're trying to figure out what that X-factor is you're just wasting your time. -Rick Wakeman
DJ-JIGGA_JAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 17th, 2007, 09:39 AM   #17 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
JimProdz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 3,455
Default

http://realityshifters.com/pages/art...eshifting.html

This really sheds light on how time is not perceived to be as straightforward as you might think, by some people.
Presumably time shifts are revealed to the wise and restrained?

Last edited by JimProdz : Jul 17th, 2007 at 09:42 AM.
JimProdz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 17th, 2007, 10:03 AM   #18 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
its-exit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Miami, FL -USA
Posts: 2,943
Send a message via AIM to its-exit
Default

I had the craziest dream the other night about time.

I kept waking up and realizing i was having this bad dream. I'd go back to sleep and wake up again. Go back to sleep up and wake up again..... each time I'd wake up I'd sit up perfectly straight....and go back to bed... over and over

It was like being stuck in a bad time loop.

When i finally woke up for real in the morning.... an idea came to me as if to free me from the time loop.

The reason we experience time is to know that we exist. Without being able to experience time in a linear way we would not know we exist.

Otherwise we'd be in a state of eternal never changing oneness.....this is why our human mind percieves "time".

Take a second to really understand that.

Can you even imagine experiencing eternalness without time?
__________________
“Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.” - Scott Adams
its-exit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 17th, 2007, 10:09 AM   #19 (permalink)
Global Moderator
 
PhineasFreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dancing with wolves
Posts: 29,400
Send a message via MSN to PhineasFreak
Default

judging by how long this day at work is stretching out perception of time is greatly affected by when you have lunch...
__________________
Trance always belongs to repetition, and everybody is looking for trance in life... in sex, in the emotional, in pleasure, in anything... so, the machines produce an absolutely perfect trance - R. Hütter

www.ylemrecords.com
PhineasFreak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jul 17th, 2007, 05:16 PM   #20 (permalink)
DI Extreme Addict
 
JimProdz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 3,455
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PhineasFreak
judging by how long this day at work is stretching out perception of time is greatly affected by when you have lunch...
Oh so tru, Phineas, just like: time passing slower when you're waiting for a bus than when you're playing your favourite sport or something. I know what goes quicker when I'm waiting for an hour or playing tennis for an hour, it's definitely the tennis.

For real time-warping tales perhaps ask mystics, shamen etc.
JimProdz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2009 Digitally Imported, Inc.