Cloning

[its-exit]

I just saw on TV that they're acctually trying to bring back the dinosaurs like in Jurassic Park......

as if that wasn't enough, the FDA has already approved cloning of cattle and I heard that human organs are next....


I have a serious problem agreeing with humans being cloned.... what do you guys think?

[wanderer]

Check out the recent film, The Island.

[its-exit]

Originally Posted by wanderer

Check out the recent film, The Island.

already have...

I think that was one of the films that really made me realize how out of control cloning could get...

[Shai`tan]

Considering the possibility that we might be a genetic experiment of some alien civilization, I guess it shouldn't be such a big deal. But still a cloned person is a human being and as such it has its rights. Although cloning has the potential to improve medicine, it is still very cruel. Big dilemma here...

[wanderer]

Originally Posted by Shai`tan

Considering the possibility that we might be a genetic experiment of some alien civilization, I guess it shouldn't be such a big deal. But still a cloned person is a human being and as such it has its rights. Although cloning has the potential to improve medicine, it is still very cruel. Big dilemma here...

Arthur C. Clarke wrote a fine short entitled Reunion in which seemingly benign imperial alien intelligences return to earth to avail us of our genetic devolution....

[its-exit]

Originally Posted by Shai`tan

Considering the possibility that we might be a genetic experiment of some alien civilization, ...

The possibility exists but is unlikely.

I mean... we've found plenty of ancestors in our genetic heritage....


Besides.... It's the moral principle of cloning....

I mean... where do we stop?

Eventually we could be slaves to our technology (if we arn't already)....

Now we're going to start making copies of ourselves and other animals....

I think we're moving forward too fast and as a civilization we should probably just slow the hell down and think about what we're really doing here..

and that starts with discussion..

[misan]

Originally Posted by wanderer

Arthur C. Clarke wrote a fine short entitled Reunion in which seemingly benign imperial alien intelligences return to earth to avail us of our genetic devolution....

they will WHAT ?

[HudsonHawk]

Originally Posted by its-exit

I have a serious problem agreeing with humans being cloned.... what do you guys think?

Originally Posted by its-exit

Besides.... It's the moral principle of cloning....

When you want to start a discussion or a good debate don't just throw words around... what is it that you find immoral about cloning, what problems do you have with it. Are you against it or you're just no sure... Is it human cloning alone that you're concerned about? Are you against cloning animals for food as well? What about rare or extinct animals like dinosaurs. What about stem cell research and growing replacement organs?


Sometimes we are quick to judge and label things in black in white. This subject has many different areas that have to be looked at separately and all of them with their own pros and cons.

[its-exit]

Originally Posted by HudsonHawk

When you want to start a discussion or a good debate don't just throw words around... what is it that you find immoral about cloning, what problems do you have with it. Are you against it or you're just no sure... Is it human cloning alone that you're concerned about? Are you against cloning animals for food as well? What about rare or extinct animals like dinosaurs. What about stem cell research and growing replacement organs?


Sometimes we are quick to judge and label things in black in white. This subject has many different areas that have to be looked at separately and all of them with their own pros and cons.

I'm not just throwing words around. I was asking to see what others thought before I gave me 2 cents, but since you're asking I'll go ahead and tell you.

My problem with cloning is that at what point is it immoral?

Have you seen the movie "The Island"????

If you had you might better understand where I'm coming from.

If we start cloning people to harvest their organs in case of an operation... how will those organs be any good if they're not used?

I mean... will a cloned heart be as good as an origional heart??? I doubt it! Because genetics only go so far....

So if we start cloning humans and we keep these clones alive for their organs.... isnt it immoral to kill a person in order to take their organs for the "origional" person????

I mean really think about how far out of control cloning could get.

Shit.. look at star wars.... they have an entire clone army.

I just think it's too much too fast.

As for animals... I think it's immoral too. I mean.... we're already treating other animals horribly (look at Cattle and chickens)..... is cloning them adding insult to injury?

[HudsonHawk]

I've seen the island, but I wasn't gonna bring Hollywood movie to this discussion. It's about cloning humans for the purpose of organ harvesting. Thats unnecessary and a waste of time and money because we should be able to grow organs separately. I think this is the key goal of the stem cell research. The line for organ transplants is growing much quicker than the donor list. And if we'll be able to replace organs without the need for donors, I think it's immoral to try and stop this kind of research. If we can give sight to the blind, hearts, lungs and kidney to the people that need them... why not?

Now I see your problem with cloning animals for food and it doesn't make me feel any easy but we(humans) stopped hunting a long time ago. It just doesn't make sense when you look at our numbers. So even if it makes us feel bad I think in the end we'll be forced to do it. Also there are more humane uses for cloned animals...
for example with cloned fish we can repopulate lakes, seas and rivers much faster then if we leave it to the nature.

Cloning extinct or rare animals is self explanatory, I think. I'm not even sure if you can even come up with a reason why we shouldn't...

So back to human cloning. It's gonna happen eventually. You can't stop progress. Which is why i think all steps should be taken now to make sure any research in this field remains under the public eye. Because if we're going to continue this campaign against it, there are many private investors that would like to see it happen.
Human cloning can give us alot of answers and a much better understanding of ourself and life in general.

[its-exit]

I guess we'll see what happens. But I'm not convinced that cloning an organ is as simple as you make it sound.

Putting a new heart into a 70 year old man is bound to have a lot of complications..... there are a lot of things you're not really thinking about...

I agree that there are a lot of benefits to cloning... but the human population is already at a point where it's consuming more than it can sustain for very long.....

So if life expectancy and population continue to go up..... it's going to lead to world war III.....

[HudsonHawk]

Originally Posted by its-exit

I guess we'll see what happens. But I'm not convinced that cloning an organ is as simple as you make it sound.

of course its not. It's alot of work and research that has to be done. Everything is achieved through trial and error.

As for ww3, it will happen before we'll be able to clone humans I think.

[gh0zt]

why does cloned meat/milk scare people as a health issue? its not like you put a chunk of beef in a Clone-Machine 5000 and out pops a new slab of meat.

it comes from an animal cloned then raised like any other animal.

itll have just as much steroid and antibiotic residue as your standard meats!

[its-exit]

Originally Posted by HudsonHawk

of course its not. It's alot of work and research that has to be done. Everything is achieved through trial and error.

As for ww3, it will happen before we'll be able to clone humans I think.

disagree...

we're already ABLE to clone humans...

Before we acctually do it is another story...

[HudsonHawk]

Originally Posted by its-exit

disagree...

we're already ABLE to clone humans...

Before we acctually do it is another story...

well than somebody is already cloning humans then.

[Bubble Wrap]

eh, were going to evolve into robots eventually(literally not figuratively)

[wanderer]

Originally Posted by HudsonHawk

Cloning extinct or rare animals is self explanatory, I think. I'm not even sure if you can even come up with a reason why we shouldn't...

I got a couple :


That would depend on how far back we go.....certain ecological niches will have been filled in over the course of mere centuries.

Even if scientists decide to clone rare species today (say a bird population of less than 20) that species will suffer from extreme genetic similarity (vulnerability). There is the likelihood they will never again be able to survive in the wild, essentially becoming fragile domesticated pets. Toys for the wealthy. Crowd drawers at zoos. Research subjects....

Would this be ethical? Is the risk worth it?

I would play the odds and say yes, because the future is unpredictable...

[its-exit]

Originally Posted by HudsonHawk

well than somebody is already cloning humans then.

just cuz we're able to do something does not mean its already been done....

but it wouldnt surprise me if it has been

[sidjohn1]

I'm a big fan of survivial of the fitest, there is a reason the extinct are extinct.

[Trance88]

I'm ok with cloning especially for medical reasons. If it's even possible to bring back dinosaurs they better be only bring back the herbivores.