What is your vision of a utopian society

[Deadly Groove]

Originally Posted by thedigitalist

I meant distribution of wealth. If everyone had the same amount of money, money wouldn't be required at all. Essentially, this is socialism. What Bacon suggested earlier, is what is know as "utopian socialism".

(I bet he feels dirty now)

Oh I see, for some reason I was thinking of lack of distribution as in the necessities not getting to the povern areas of the world.

[Firebug]

Originally Posted by thedigitalist

Most of the Israel Palestine problem is religious. It's about who own Jerusalem - it's central to both of their religions. The number one obstacle of a two state solution at present is who gets Jerusalem.

I am quite aware.

Just have no firsthand knowledge, luckily.

But a major catalyst for the entire thing was the UN getting involved. Hey, there we go, another idea for a utopia. Don't have of all these big organizations

Ok, so...

No money.
No disease.
No major world organizations.

[PrincessKathryn]

Originally Posted by thedigitalist

Utopia is found from within - much like Enlightenment.

When I worked in london I used to get the bus to work. Everyday this tramp (homeless guy) would get on; he smelt real bad - no one wanted him to sit next to them, but I offered him my seat, and he sat next to me on the bus every day for a year after that. He did smell bad, but was the nicest guy I've met. Was always happy, laughing, chatting. Really interesting dude, with loads of crazy stories to tell.

Happyness (and utopia) are found within. You could put someone on the highest moutain with the most breathtaking view, and it wouldn't satisfy them. In essence, all these things are material objects (even if they can't be bought).

Having said that, Dusties Utopia is pretty close to mine

Although to be honest, as long as my wife is there I don't care where I am

I agree with you. Love improves substance without question. Love is where we find being. Which is why my Utopia would be:
A self-sustaining, cob village. My family (who are my friends), just us using our combined knowledge, and talents. Doing everything we need to do. Building, providing food, providing art, providing music, providing power, there are no RULES, only love and respect for one another. A kind of understanding if you will. I like to think of it as an evolved community. Open to everything that will be for the best. Whatever happens is going to happen. You just Help each other to help yourself. And this is a very possible thing to do..love love love you've got to love it

[PrincessKathryn]

Originally Posted by -ROX-

A blend of new green technology and pre history life. City-forests.

We take the technology we have, abandon our destructive ways, go back to our roots, to nature, and adopt our technology accordingly. Modern tribes. We don't live from Earth but with Earth. We have all the wonders of technology we need - travel, medicine, internet....at no expense for the planet. We live in harmony and peace, but still explore, from the vastness of space to the depths of the mind, seeking answers. Technologically this is very possible, the only real thing that's stopping us is big business that makes money off pollution.

People abandon materialism as the source of all conflict. Materialism creates greed, and greed is the root of almost all evil. This does not mean individuality doesn't exist - it exists more than it does now in our "civilized" world, only in a different way and on a different level. We are united in pursuit of progress and knowledge to achieve the only thing that matters - mutual happiness. Love is the only way this is achieved, and the most important lesson we have to learn. Realizing that you don't need wealth and riches to be happy, you only need people and your own consciousness. Forgiveness instead of hate, help instead of selfishness, understanding instead of conflict. Love.

No government. "The goal of the government should be to put itself out of business" as Leary said. This is very wishful thinking, but I can settle for a minimal government that only exists to protect us from each other and to protect the environment. Nothing else. The only laws we will ever need are the ones that prevent us from harming others and harming nature. People can do whatever they please as long as they obey these laws. Believe what they want, have sex with who and how they want, ingest what they want, live how they want and die when they want. There is no money, there are no countries, there are no borders, no society, no control and no false differences nor false virtues created by pride or religion or tradition or society. No borders to restrain you from your planet, that prevent you from traveling the wonders of the world. Nothing is imposed except not harming another. No limits. Freedom.

And lastly, there would be fun. Work would not be praised as some holy and utterly great virtue, but as something only necessary. You don't work to work and then be "good" because you do, you work because you it's necessary for your happiness. Fun is a virtue, having a good time is a virtue. Work is necessary for progress, but it's also necessary for fun and enjoyment. You don't let your job define you, you define your job according to your needs. Travel, excitement, exploration, recreation and relaxation. Art and expression. Indulging of curiosity. And of course helping others. Those are the real things we strive for. Not routine and stress, not dullness and boredom. Experience.

Reading this made me have some hope for humanity. I seem to be finding more and more people who feel this way. It's miraculous.

[krazykhalid]

In my opinion the whole problem with the world at the moment doesn't really stem from 1 source, or 1 reason, or because of religion, or the governments and corporations around the world... its how these things played over time, the people who were in control and the decisions they made throughout the years in the past few centuries that put us in the state we are now.

Human nature in itself is where the problem lies.
We need to go back to our roots and see how the aboriginal people lived to truly understand human nature at its core, like ROX mentioned, but clearly that didn't work as history showed..
It was over run and shunned out by 'modern' society and thinking. Greed, Corruption, Desire for Power. Who says these aren't part of human thinking? Maybe they were, and we had the choice to either abide by them or not. I see it in almost everybody I encounter on a day to day basis...

I'm sure everybody could think of the people they grew up with, how well you know people, and how they grew up... people don't actually change all that much over time, everything you learn and experience makes you.

The problem with the aboriginal, origins of humans way of life in our day and age, IMO, is that there would still be too much corruption from the law makers, the religious zealots, and people who think 'modern' society should be run according to the things set out by their governments accordingly... One thing I tend to hear, "It's a free country, I can do what I want!"

Yes you can do what you want, but those things dictate how people will perceive and treat you accordingly... People need to realize facts over opinions... People need to see the problems that are caused by differences that were pointed out by man itself, things like ethnicity, supposed superiority over genes (Racists seem to always think their own is better then the others... Anyone who thinks that way will not be able to see the flaw in there thinking...), sexual orientation, religious beliefs, superficial ideals ('Modern' society has gotten way out of hand in the sense that there is a 'normal' way of looking and acting according to trends and what everybody else is doing around you, individuality is gone... granted we may be pack animals originally within our species, people need to learn the values of family, real friends, and respect for one another, regardless of superficial ideals...)

Greed, Jealousy, Hate. These things IMO are partly made by choice. You have the choice to be jealous of say, a talent one person might have which you want, but can't master or achieve... You have the choice to be greedy enough to take as much as you want without ever giving back. You have the choice to hate somebody, or forgive them if they have seen the error of their ways and acted accordingly and shown remorse...

Acceptance of guilt for your own actions is a MUST, people who can't do this do not deserve their freedom... Nothing stays secret forever, not if the karma level is going overboard on one side of any situation, Karma exists, you can try to cheat it, but everything catch's up to you eventually... Do not steal. Do no cheat. Do not Betray. Simple enough? Not for some people.

These are all each persons choice, if people thought them out we'd be a step closer to a Utopian society... Honesty is truly the key, and understanding how to use it...
You can have your own secrets, but secrets which involve personal greed and nonsensical hate never stay hidden forever... I believe in the phrase "Once a liar, always a liar." Then you have to think about what a person lies about, and the reasons behind it, and whether or not they will accept their wrongs or not.
These are the attributes that show how a person really is...
Good or Bad? All dependent on who you are and how you perceive the problem, compared to your own personal morals and values...

Anybody who them self can constantly lie to the people who care about them, will probably lead a life aimed at personal pleasure, will probably be just fine with friends who act the same, and will not see the harm they may cause... They can't show the same compassion that comes their way, what will they do to random people who don't even know them? Probably lie their way into a friendship, acting out multiple persona's to get what they want to achieve... Greed

Anybody who is honest with the ones who care for them, will probably be the kind of person who is loyal, who will not betray, will not be unreasonable or lie just for the sake of greed... May build many great friendships, and lost many, people change over time, its the way society works today because of greed...

Greed is the main problem when it comes to the levels of honesty people will show... sometimes people lie for the greater good, other times it is just for themselves... knowing somebody personally is the only way to truly know this...

A perfect relation ship isn't always 100% honest, people lie for good meaning at times... But just remember the idea that "Once a liar, Always a liar"... and then it goes down to what it is and why they did it...

Some things really aren't that bad and people tend to overreact... but thats up to each person to decide and see how understanding they are.



My uptopian society would have a scientific basis over lying everything that governs our world. Analyzing everything to a formula that can be proven with fact. We can study animals this way, says who can we not do this with people. We are no different then any other living organism... our experiences create our personalities... Our spirit dictates our perception...

The brain is like a computer. It will be broken down one day, though who says it hasn't? You look at the way religions have such a stronghold on people, I wouldn't be surprised if the people in power knew of how you could herd people in a nation from the moment they were born by explaining everything around them via a book and stories that seem plausable but irrational, and proceed to create their reality according to your own teachings and words, thus creating regional conflicts around the world throughout history and today...

I am God. You are God. How would you want God to treat you?

I kind of also believe in what the digitalist mentioned earlier, in finding your own enlightenment and happiness... you are the only person who can control that and steer your own life in that direction...

[Nokturnal]

I don't know if a Utopian society would serve any purpose. People get pretty bored when they are happy.