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Unread Oct 4th, 2008, 08:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't know how to explain this. In a lot of House tracks you hear an organ that plays one note, but at the same time, it also plays agacent note. (I believe it's called the "fifth".) How is this done?

Example: Show Me Love by Robin S.
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Are you sure that's an organ? Just sounds like a plain synth to me.
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I don't know what you are referring to. I caught the track on youtube and it just sounded like a synth. Playing a note and a fifth at the same time is easy, you just do it. I don't know what else you are looking for?
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its a common house note, and it is special... you can find it as "organ bass" or something like that in the z3ta+ vst plugin (its on the 'B' page in the presets)... a lot of other synths have it as well because it is such a house standard... i love that song by the way.
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its a common house note, and it is special... you can find it as "organ bass" or something like that in the z3ta+ vst plugin (its on the 'B' page in the presets)... a lot of other synths have it as well because it is such a house standard... i love that song by the way.
So it's basicly an organ with a special effect that makes it sound like it's playing two notes at the same time? That would make sence.
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something like that... I haven't tried making it myself but I do use it and tweak the preset from the z3ta+
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with something like a hammond organ their are alot of effects just like an analogue synthesizer
like slow and fast rotators, and gain
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with something like a hammond organ their are alot of effects just like an analogue synthesizer
like slow and fast rotators, and gain
Speaking of hammond organs, do they have dials, or things that can let you change the pitch of a note? (like this) There are a few songs I've heard with hammond organs that do that.
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I suppose I'm missing something... how hard is it for you to play a note and its fifth at the same time? I can think of a couple ways to do it easily. All you really need is the organ sound, which you can generate with one of various synths. Then you can make it play any notes you really want, at a time even.
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I suppose I'm missing something... how hard is it for you to play a note and its fifth at the same time? I can think of a couple ways to do it easily. All you really need is the organ sound, which you can generate with one of various synths. Then you can make it play any notes you really want, at a time even.
Maybe with a really expensive synth like you hear in Dance music, but not with ordinary $200 Casio/Yamaha keyboards like the ones I have.
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Maybe with a really expensive synth like you hear in Dance music, but not with ordinary $200 Casio/Yamaha keyboards like the ones I have.
Aha. I'm thinking in terms of software, as that's how I've been running for years now, and you are talking about on hardware. So, that $200 keyboard doesn't even have polyphony? I would have expected a $200 keyboard would. Couldn't you jst play one note, count up 5 steps, and play that one too at the same time? It may be a bit more difficult to coordinate for faster played melodies, but it would work. :P
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Speaking of hammond organs, do they have dials, or things that can let you change the pitch of a note? (like this) There are a few songs I've heard with hammond organs that do that.
I dont think its like that
in native instruments theres an organ emulator called the B3
you should check it out if you can find it, you can make a lot of different organ sounds with it like the live one
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Speaking of hammond organs, do they have dials, or things that can let you change the pitch of a note? (like this) There are a few songs I've heard with hammond organs that do that.
that would be a "pitch-bend wheel". it's damn near impossible to buy a modern keyboard synth/controller without one - although many classic hammonds wouldn't have had one modern reproductions and softsynths generally have the capability.
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Yesterday I was playing with an organ on one of my keyboards, and I heard the same effect, only it wasn't as noticable as the one in the house tracks.
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@ Yacek: I don't think it's just House music that uses it. I'm also hearing it in some Eurodance music. (like some songs by Vengaboys)

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@ Yacek: I don't think it's just House music that uses it. I'm also hearing it in some Eurodance music. (like some songs by Vengaboys)

it may not just be house music that uses it but it was such a cliched sound from early '90s house tunes that alot of synths now have such patches labelled as "house organ" or "house organ bass" or whatever...

novation's V-Station has a particularly fine collection of em in it's presets...
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