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Unread May 27th, 2009, 08:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Synth altered on exported track

Anybody know why a synth (refx Vanguard) would be altered when the whole track is exported (in Live 7) ?

It will play a part note at the beginning on the first kick drum & when repeating a sequence it appears to drop an octave at first before going back to normal again.

When I playback the track in the sequencer its fine only the exported audio is effected.

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is it set as a monophonic synth (is that even possible with vanguard?)?

does it have some kind of arpeggiator set that isn't sposed to be there?
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I can't recall there being an polyphonic/monophonic switch like on Oddity etc.

I have powered down the system so i will check later on.

There is a trance gate on vanguard but not activated for the current patch. It does have arpeggiator, i'll have to check that too.
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OK I switched off the arpeggiator which off course affected the patch itself, re- exported the track just to see the outcome.

Its still doing the same thing. I duplicated the track & does the same thing.
I can try starting the patch again on a new fresh midi track then import the midi files into the new track.

The thing I thought of was the oscillators going out of sync ?

The only thing I found was someone having the same problem but with the new Native Instruments Maschine
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is it trying to play more than one note at a time?

is there anything else playing on the same midi channel, even to a different instrument/on a different track?
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I have a midi prog bass (this patch) & a midi prog lead & a pad on different tracks. Not all three playing simultaneously throughout though in fact this bass patch is so far playing on its own with audio / samples in drum machine for rhythm / perc etc for the start.

Its too complicated sequence to sit next to the lead so it conflicts & I have to put in a more mono /simplified sequence for there but I haven't done so yet so it plays on its own. It is side chained to the rhythm track though, do you think this could cause it ?

I was wondering if it had anything to do with the midi playback device (MS GS Wavetable SW Synth) ?

I should be able to switch to creative sound font synthesiser for playback I can try that.

Other than that maybe its to do with my sound card or moreover the drivers I use an Creative X-FI & have recently had trouble losing the ability to record both digitally & analogue (on two cards on separate machines). Other than this the card(s) have been working fine but I wonder.
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why on earth aren't you using plugin softsynths? built in midi sounds terrible!!
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Oh no its using the Vanguard & other synths to play the sound but someone mentioned it may be causing conflicts with VSTIs (the midi playback device) . I don't know I'm just clutching at straws until I know whats causing it.

It doesn't always happen with vanguard on Live 7

that midi playback device sounds like a ringtone
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I had a track recently, and it was vanguard exporting differently then in the project
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but it doesn't happen all the time you use vanguard ?

plus do you use it with Ableton Live ?
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It has only happened to me twice that I know.

I use FL7.

Although both times that I remember, it happened when there was a lot of stuff going on. Like 15 VST's and a ton of samples being played.
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Its the Sidechaining.
When you are exporting a single track, the track providing the Sidechain data will not be processed, resulting in a different data render.

If your are using Ableton just Record the track as it plays into another channel, and you'll result in a Wav file that is exactly as it is heard during playback.
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Its the whole track I'm exporting.

However If I use automation I can cut the volume on the offending track at the start & this stops the premature play at the beginning.

On a new track I started in the mean time I don't get the octave problem / out of sync oscillator trouble whatever it was with Vanguard just the play at the start. Hopefully it was just a bug & wont reappear again.
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