Utah Rave shutdown by Authorities

[byte]

Originally Posted by Smartco

Mmh... a strong statement there

Man I'm not even sure if the end of the world would shut down rave culture. Them radio waves continue on into space y'know? Those alien dudes by Alpha Centauri have probably caught them by now and if I had to venture a guess, I'd say that aliens probably love electronic music!

So, the point is, the music will never die! It is simply not possible. No matter how hard anyone fights it, rave lives on!

[Nicci]

Originally Posted by byte

So, the point is, the music will never die! It is simply not possible. No matter how hard anyone fights it, rave lives on!

I agree! I don't think much could stop it. I won't let anyone tell me what I can and can't listen to. Or that I can't dance. No way!

[ediblesound]

Originally Posted by byte

Man I'm not even sure if the end of the world would shut down rave culture. Them radio waves continue on into space y'know? Those alien dudes by Alpha Centauri have probably caught them by now and if I had to venture a guess, I'd say that aliens probably love electronic music!

So, the point is, the music will never die! It is simply not possible. No matter how hard anyone fights it, rave lives on!

You know, apparently some people out there think rave culture IS the end of the world!

Inspirational and beautiful [music] comes only from this earth? I think it comes from what we try to catch with words in string theory and religion and the like. Same as DNA, just vibrations being the vehicle of perception percieving itself.

Music is a lot like DNA in also how it is influenced by it's precedent and influences what follows after it. Just another facet of the Great "Neverending" ( for all intensive purposes ) Tapestry of the universe's Consciousness revealing itself to us.

Another thought, is the notion that pre-existant in the universe is the ubiquitousness of every pattern to begin with, as it's here, it's there. Rhythm is intrinsic to perception and especially the basis and root of perception: primal awareness. Which I assert exists among all existance, or rather, is inherent, and responsible for existance, including what we have defined scientifically as particles and vibrations. If there is any Mormons out there reading, I'm refering to the First principle and ordinance of the Gospel. Faith.

Simply consider the particle and subparticle dance, and all that results (light, substance, chemistry, matter )! That's a Rave if there is any such. And that's precisely what happens to people at a RAVE. Becoming aware intrisically of a more innate and basic essense or function of what they are, beyond people, and realizing there's really not anything like a separation of these bodies and lives and minds, just like, and part of and made UP of the same particles and even more basic knots of vibrations and rhythms that simply just seem to know where to go and how to move!

I'm Sure I'm not the only that has noticed the seemingly blatant unspoken organization of peoples' bodies and motion and lives non-reliant on the five basic senses and subsequent minor cerebral steering that current science acknowledges, as in what we still call coincidence. can I get a woot.

Place and distance are obsolete notions when it comes to energy ( rave music ). that's old news. Alright. I guess it's time for me to switch to deep house. This goa psy and classic trance is influencing me lol.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by pyramidion

Blind obedience to authority in any form will always be detrimental to the welfare of all but the elite.

I totally agree with you, except on one point. I don't really believe in this fabled "elite" class. The notion of an elite class is generally coupled with the theory that the forces of authority (i.e. the police) are 1. all part of one entity that is run from a central command and 2. Neglegent of their own free will and act as robots (almost). I'm not saying YOU personally believe that, but once you start to separate out a ruling or elite class, you are basically saying that the general populous is controlled by an oligarchy or really rich and powerful people. I totally disagree with that. There is a system in place. Some people are good at working the system in their favor. They then work to keep the system in place. They however, do NOT CONTROL the system. The system is self-sustaining. Just my $0.02
Oh God, Politics Police.... RUN!

Originally Posted by toasterman101

And I never never have worried about my safety from police or military. The only ones who do are the ones who are doing something wrong like idk drugs?

There probably were a lot of people at that rave who didn't do anything wrong (unless attending counts) and now have an instictive fear of police after that event. I have never commited a crime (nothing bad at least...) but I still tense up when I see police, even though I have no reason to worry. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I'm sure I'm not alone.

Oh, and edible... W00T!!!!

[Rapter]

well, the police statement that the promoters had no "mass gathering" permit is false...

Clicky Clicky

[chelsea]

Here is a statement from the promoter about how things are progressing.

http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20630

and the website that has been created, by the promoters, for the situation.

http://www.music-versus-guns.org


Sorry for the repost.

[ChEeZeBaLL]

"[Security guards] have no legal statutory authority to take and hold controlled substances. It's against the law for them to have them," Tracy said.

So they really did arrest the security guards for possessing confiscated drugs, and the promoters really did have a permit for more than 250 people. The police are scumbag liars.

[sunny dub]

Originally Posted by chelsea

Here is a statement from the promoter about how things are progressing.

http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20630

and the website that has been created, by the promoters, for the situation.

http://www.music-versus-guns.org


Sorry for the repost.

No no, repost was good. It can be really hard to find good info in such a big thread.

[pyramidion]

Originally Posted by Sentinal

I totally agree with you, except on one point. I don't really believe in this fabled "elite" class. The notion of an elite class is generally coupled with the theory that the forces of authority (i.e. the police) are 1. all part of one entity that is run from a central command and 2. Neglegent of their own free will and act as robots (almost). I'm not saying YOU personally believe that, but once you start to separate out a ruling or elite class, you are basically saying that the general populous is controlled by an oligarchy or really rich and powerful people. I totally disagree with that. There is a system in place. Some people are good at working the system in their favor. They then work to keep the system in place. They however, do NOT CONTROL the system. The system is self-sustaining. Just my $0.02
Oh God, Politics Police.... RUN!

I definitely see your point, but i'm not convinced that those mega-rich people are not controlling things to work in their favor. You've given me something to think about though, so thanks.
peace

[THE TRUTH]

Originally Posted by ChEeZeBaLL

"[Security guards] have no legal statutory authority to take and hold controlled substances. It's against the law for them to have them," Tracy said.

So they really did arrest the security guards for possessing confiscated drugs, and the promoters really did have a permit for more than 250 people. The police are scumbag liars.

That is pretty cheap.

[Topbob]

Typical of American authorities to mess things up.

[Cheshire Cat ^..^]

Originally Posted by Toasterman101

First I have a friend in the Military, and I know another guy whose going into the marines next year, I would really appreciate it if you didn't compare our military to the Nazi secret police. Shutting down a rave is a bit different from genocide my friend.

No one compared anything to genocide. Gestapo is different from SS.

My point was why should you treat your police in your own country like Gestapo or Stasi?

Damn straight.

http://www.hrw.org/about/initiatives/police.htm
Read about the incidents. And stop being so blind.

Well we are still the richest and most powerful so we must be doing something good right?

Guess how rich and powerful Bin Laden's nephew is. Might = right, right?

The only ones who do are the ones who are doing something wrong like idk drugs?

Oh my God. Mate, do you ever watch some other news than Fox?

[DJ Mallorca]

I'm still in shock myself at all of this, I have just read some of the eyewitness accounts and fook me that is some scary shit. The implications some have faced could quite easily have them seeing psychiatrists and being put on medication. These are kids for gods sake, what kind of sickass orders such treatment on kids......

[Pb]

Originally Posted by ChEeZeBaLL

[...]the promoters really did have a permit for more than 250 people.

Read that utrave link chelsea posted. The promoters secured the health permit but not the assembly permit. The meaning of that law is debatable -- its phrasing was terrible.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by npnp

in shock at this? it was only a minor injustice...

The pigs rule here in the is free country. Law or no law, they do as they please - of course you can always take them to court... or shoot them!

Alright... psycho.

So if this goes to court, we can expect a decision maybe in May? Let's let this sit for a while...

[Pb]

Originally Posted by Sentinal

Alright... psycho.

Oh good, Sentinal. You're in Chicago. How do you find the police behaviour and attitudes there?

I can only base my observations on the few times I've visited Chicago, but generally found them very civil and friendly, day and night compared to NYC street police.

[byte]

Originally Posted by Pb

Read that utrave link chelsea posted. The promoters secured the health permit but not the assembly permit. The meaning of that law is debatable -- its phrasing was terrible.

Read Rapter's post before that

[UpInFlames1234]

Originally Posted by npnp

this isn't gonna go anywhere, might as well forget about it.

... forget?

shit like that shouldn't happen anywhere... but it happened, and we have to do something about it.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Pb

Oh good, Sentinal. You're in Chicago. How do you find the police behaviour and attitudes there?

I can only base my observations on the few times I've visited Chicago, but generally found them very civil and friendly, day and night compared to NYC street police.

I technically don't live in Chicago (I live in a suburb 20-30 minutes away, depending on traffic), but I go there often. I would say yes, the Chicago police are very civil. After the London bombings, the police beefed up the security of Union Station (a very large train station for commuters and Amtrack). People noticed the police and were not afraid to talk to them or ask them questions. The police were friendly and I often overheard them giving directions to this and that to lost people.

However, I would say the general attitude is large gatherings of young people = bad. Chicago has the hardest anti-rave laws I know of (something about the mayor's son having a "bad experience"). So if you are polite, the police will be polite back, but if you are gathering, expect to have police milling around watching you. At least they won't beat you...

[Pb]

Originally Posted by byte

Read Rapter's post before that

Originally Posted by Rapter

they needed a supeona/warrent anyways to even be on the property as it was private property, according to a higher law,(i.e. the constitution, as i pointed out for the "needing of a permit." if you want me to point out the 4th amendment for what i said above, i will.).

Ok, reading ^_^

4th Ammendment,
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...n/amendment04/)

It's arguable if the 4th ammendment applies, but I'm not a legal expert by any stretch of imagination:
(i) They were on somebody else's property when they were searched and had possession seized;
(ii) There are valid searches which can be done without warrants, eg. consent, ''open fields'', ''plain view'' searches. (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...nt04/03.html#1 & http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/c...ment04/04.html)