Utah Rave shutdown by Authorities

[DI Revolution]

The truth always lies somewhere between the two stories - old proverb

I do think it was a bit excessive, but 3000 people, a couple squad cars can't handle that amount of people. The military carries machine guns wherever they go, so for them to be without them is pointless. For most of the military guys, the M16 is the only gun they are trained to shoot.

The media will always condemn raves. Raves are synonmous with ecstacy and other drugs. You want the media to indirrectly support drug use among children? They can't do that. But that's the bias of the US media and stereotyping of EDM youth..

[Bitsablade]

Well they should have used more police officers then,but instead they get the army to dispurse 3000 ravers ....hhhmmm.....

Where not talking about 3000 drunk football thugs or criminals here where talking about 3000 normal people out for agood night.........Right or wrong you cant go round treating people like that simple !!

There goes another part of our so called freedom out of the window............

Thats the kinda sh*t that starts trouble in the first place, and then the police turn round and wonder why people f*cking hate em !!

[DI Revolution]

Originally Posted by Bitsablade

Well they should have used more police officers then,but instead they get the army to dispurse 3000 ravers ....hhhmmm.....

Where not talking about 3000 drunk football thugs or criminals here where talking about 3000 normal people out for agood night.........Right or wrong you cant go round treating people like that simple !!

There goes another part of our so called freedom out of the window............

Thats the kinda sh*t that starts trouble in the first place, and then the police turn round and wonder why people f*cking hate em !!

It's Utah. I bet there are only a couple thousand police in the whole state. You need quite a few hundred cops to disperse 3000 people. The military is there and they called them.

Honestly, it doesn't matter if they were just "normal people." Remember the LA riots about 10yrs ago? Those were all "normal people." It's all about mob mentality. You get 3000 people with mob mentality, they can take over 300-400 cops...easy. You get military in there, no one is gonna f**k with them.

I don't think it's right it got broken up, but I do think the cops had the necessary force to protect THEIR lives. I don't think it's right that people got kicked in the stomach, etc. But if they were resisting, and the cops felt danger, they would have done what they had to do to subdue the person.

[Bitsablade]

"Nope" your right !!

I just cant imagine 3000 ravers turning into a giant mob armed with glow sticks high on "what ever" thats all !

Lets just pray they dont close anymore..............

[DJ Mallorca]

Personally I think it's a scandal - the military should only be involved with matters concerning the whole country not 3000 kids having a rave....... How tough do you look pushing a 20 year old about a field in an Army outfit??? Look like more of a tit than a military man I'm afraid

I'm seriously considering sending this little article to our media, I doubt they would pursue it but they could have a "When they aren't shooting Iraq citizens these men push kids at a rave" story

[gh0zt]

**** the military, mindless ****ing drones

when we need protection FROM OUR military, the game is up

they fight the war on drugs with violence, we need to return the favor and pop a few ****in pigs as well

**** them

[Sentinel]

Raves

Throughout the 1990s high energy, all-night dances known as raves, which feature techno-music and flashing laser lights, increased in popularity among teens and young adults. Raves occur in either permanent dance clubs or temporary "weekend event" sites set up in abandoned warehouses, open fields, empty buildings, or civic centers.

Utah has a unique rave culture with anomalies that are specific to the state. Utah law enforcement intelligence indicates that individuals are using limousines or other rental vehicles to travel to raves because of increased vehicle traffic and overcrowded parking. Another emerging trend in Utah is the use of club drugs--synthetic drugs such as MDMA, LSD, and GHB--at adult, rave-like events called trancemission parties. These parties are held in private residences, and cover charges, which include the first MDMA tablet, can exceed $200 per attendee. The parties are theme-oriented and normally involve sexual activity. Hosts recruit teenage girls and young adults from dance clubs and other social gatherings. Trancemission parties often feature "sex rooms" equipped with video cameras to record the sexual exploits of the hosts and partygoers.

Source: Utah Substance Abuse and Anti-Violence Coordinating Council; Utah Club Drug Summit; Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs3/3619/odd.htm

I just found this while searching for more news on this event. This is no doubt propoganda IMO. I mean seriously...

Originally Posted by Toasterman101

However when a member of the US armed forces tells you to get the hell otta there, you the f*ck do it with out a second look or word. Have some respect.

I know this sounds a bit crazy, but why? Why should the ravers blindly obey? I doubt anyone knew what was going on at first, so when some random guy (not very different than yourself; consider at the average ages for both groups) tells you to get out or be beaten, what's the first thing that comes to mind? "Why? Who the **** are you to tell me to 'get out?'"

When a people fears its own police force or military, the nation has a serious problem that must be resolved immediately, or bad things will happen... (riot, revolt, massacre)

Here we have an example of fearing the military. In England a few weeks ago (when the Brazillian was shot) we had a fine example of fearing the police. Where can people turn for help now?

[Nicci]

I wasn't there, but I do have friend that were. Will post links here for anyone interested. I used to live in SLC utah, and i can't believe this!

Here is a link one of the DJ's post about it.
http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814

Here is a link to the Ut rave msg board.
http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020&page=1&pp=10

And here is a link to some video that was taken. You can hear them say shut it down or i'll beat your ass down. Then kids being beat while already on the ground.
http://fatbaron.com/videos.html

[DMSO]

Originally Posted by Sentinal

Why should the ravers blindly obey? I doubt anyone knew what was going on at first, so when some random guy (not very different than yourself; consider at the average ages for both groups) tells you to get out or be beaten, what's the first thing that comes to mind? "Why? Who the **** are you to tell me to 'get out?'"

LMFAO, “not very different than yourself”? When is the last time you came to a party dressed in full riot/combat gear with a big gun with a bunch of other people dressed exactly the same way being overseen by a helicopter? There is no “blindly obeying” it’s about preservation of self.

Originally Posted by gh0zt

they fight the war on drugs with violence, we need to return the favor and pop a few ****in pigs as well

Wow, now that will be oh so effective. Give them more “ammunition” to equate drug users with terrorists. Congrats on making the problem worse. Pulling the trigger to kill the messenger is cowardly, getting involved with politics to change the laws takes balls. But I suppose peopled have to put the bong down to do that & in Amerika anything worth doing should be easy right?

Originally Posted by THE TRUTH

Also looks like things may have not been done right by the promoters:

yea… if they didn’t get the permits signed the party wasn’t legal, bottom line. if it was legal they should get the ACLU or some other group of lawyers involved.

[Nicci]

They are contacting the ACLU, and lawyers, from what i've read on the website. Everyone says they had the permits, and everything was totally legal.
They say the cops took their permits when asked to show them. So i'm guessing they will have to find copies of them to prove it.


Another link this one is from the fox news. It has a guy talking about what he saw go on.
http://www.sallad.org/media/fox13.mov

[Toasterman101]

Wow you guys have really pissed me off in this thread with your thrashing of cops and the military. You all seem to think of the police and military as some big faceless evil force just because they won't let you smoke your dope freely. Well guess what, I've had two family members serve in two different wars. I know that everytime you call those soldiers "evil" or "a facist force" your insulting someone's husband, wife, sister, brother, or even mother and father. Same with those "pigs". I know three different guys whose fathers are police officers. Their dads! These guys have family, they're normal people just like you and me. Calling them opressive pigs is just asinine, they're just doing their job. I for one fully support anything our police do, because they are the ones out there putting their lives on the line tracking murderers and drug lords. The US military and the Police forces put their lives on the line to keep your ungrateful asses safe and you repay they with utter disrespect.

[DJ Mallorca]

These parties are held in private residences, and cover charges, which include the first MDMA tablet, can exceed $200 per attendee. The parties are theme-oriented and normally involve sexual activity. Hosts recruit teenage girls and young adults from dance clubs and other social gatherings. Trancemission parties often feature "sex rooms" equipped with video cameras to record the sexual exploits of the hosts and partygoers

Really???? Hmm, nope - any rave anyone has been to surely doesn't have sex rooms I mean come on!! Stick to the old drugs are bad mmmkay sayings please, don't start insinuating that we all go to take drugs and have sex...... sex is just a bonus!!! Musics what raves are for.......

Who writes this shite anyway?? To understand drug users is to at least been one yourself, you can't just say shit like that and be 100% behind your statement. For all they know "Mom and Dad" used to smoke weed in the 60's-70's but they get this drugs are evil crap rammed so far up their ass all they can think of is shit. Yes we are aware of the dangers, you cannot rule against us unless we do something wrong like hurt people etc Walking around out your face isn't a crime so back off!

(And breathe) Right, anyone got any more information on this absolute waste of taxpayers money then feel free to share it with me...... I'd like to know more

[Nicci]

Not all cops are bad. They said this morning on the radio show X96 in SLC utah, that a cop admitted that it was excessive force and out of hand. See some cops are good. But I don't think the ones that broke down the party were right. I think this group of cops, and swat were in the wrong, and way out of hand.

[gh0zt]

Originally Posted by DMSO

Wow, now that will be oh so effective. Give them more “ammunition” to equate drug users with terrorists. Congrats on making the problem worse. Pulling the trigger to kill the messenger is cowardly, getting involved with politics to change the laws takes balls. But I suppose peopled have to put the bong down to do that & in Amerika anything worth doing should be easy right?

Yeah, and we have made SO much progress doing that peacefull protest thing havn't we? Look how much better the drug policy has become in the past 40 years, now we have the sensible policy of banning the research of chemicals BEFORE any research is done. Its good see that protesting and lobbying and voting works.

If they don't want violence they shouldnt have declared war.

[elletek]

sometimes it suuuuuuuuux to live in USA

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by DMSO

LMFAO, “not very different than yourself”? When is the last time you came to a party dressed in full riot/combat gear with a big gun with a bunch of other people dressed exactly the same way being overseen by a helicopter? There is no “blindly obeying” it’s about preservation of self.

So you judge people by their clothes? The demographics for soldiers and ravers are very similar. Agewise at least. The difference lies in their mindset. Rave scene unity can't compare to military dicipline, but I'm sure this could have been solved with peaceful discussion if only the two sides were willing to talk.

Originally Posted by Toasterman101

The US military and the Police forces put their lives on the line to keep your ungrateful asses safe and you repay they with utter disrespect.

Let's not go attacking people on this board. Someone mentioned mob mentality earlier. Police are no exception; 500 police officers are just as likely to get out of hand as 500 ravers. So you're saying that police are people too, and I know that, but I also know that people make mistakes. Why can't we all just get along?

It's about time we stop seeing each other as "facist police" or "out of control kids".

[pinkie]

hey maz. do you know if ROAR could do anything with this?

[maz]

Originally Posted by pinkie

hey maz. do you know if ROAR could do anything with this?

No, ROAR! doesn't exist anymore. This is something for the ACLU.

[pinkie]

yeah the ACLU was mentioned in regardless to this by Amanda on the buzzboard.

[THE TRUTH]

From another board....

heres the sheriffs story.

Rave Party
Utah County Sheriff's Office shuts down Rave Party in Spanish Fork Canyon.

During the summer of 2005 the Utah County Sheriff's Office has seen an increase in the number of large Rave parties that have occurred within Utah County. Approximately four weeks ago the Sheriff's Office became aware of another possible Rave party that was to occur somewhere in Utah County on August 20, 2005.

Tickets were sold through a Salt Lake vendor, Uprock, for $20.00. Tickets could be bought in advance and directions to the exact location of the Rave would be provided on the day of the event.

Utah County mass gathering ordinance prohibits the gathering of two hundred and fifty or more persons without a permit, bond, and Utah County Commission approval.

Research was conducted and no mass gathering permit had been obtained for this incident. However, a health department permit had been obtained and EMS personnel were contracted to be on scene for first aide.

From several previous experiences with Rave parties of this size, a large amount of drug use and underage consumption of alcohol occur. In addition reports of sexual assaults, overdoses, firearm violations, vehicle burglaries, and numerous individuals drive from the party under the influence of alcohol and or drugs.

Utah County Sheriff's Office Detectives interviewed several females that had attended a prior rave party in the Utah county area in the past month that had been sexual assaulted. These females stated that the combination of drugs and alcohol made them fear for their safety due to the groping and sexual assaults that occurred during the Rave party. In the last year alone one near fatal shooting was investigated by Utah County Sheriff's Office at a similar party.

Around noon on Saturday, August 20th, the Sheriff's office learned that the Rave Party was to take place in the Diamond Fork area located in Spanish Fork canyon at the Child's ranch. At that point it was again verified that the Utah County Commissioner's office had no knowledge of this nor had a permit been obtained.

Utah County Major Crimes was contacted to assist with undercover surveillance. Both local and state SWAT teams were called in to control the crowds ( Utah County Metro SWAT, Utah Department of Corrections out of Salt Lake and Gunnison, Department of Public Safety and their helicopter and Provo SWAT) approximately 90 law enforcement personnel combined.

At 9 pm the Rave party began and by 10 pm Major Crimes observed numerous illegal activities. Which included illegal use of drugs, distribution of drugs, and underage consumption of alcohol.

It was verified that more than 250 individuals were at the party, in violation or county statutes and by 11:30 pm law enforcement personnel moved in to curtail and disburse the party. During this process at least 60 arrests were made for weapons offenses, DUI, illegal underage consumption of alcohol, possession of marijuana, possession of cocaine, possession of methamphetamine, possession of ecstasy, distribution of ecstasy, resisting arrest, assault on a police officer, and disorderly conduct.

A safety sweep was conducted after the crowd was ordered to disburse and numerous narcotic items were located scattered on the ground which included: cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana, mushrooms, alcohol and large amounts of drug paraphernalia.

A 17 year old female from West Jordan, found by officers, had overdosed on ecstasy. She was treated and released to her parents.

Several local teenagers from Spanish Fork, Springville, Provo, and Payson were identified at the party by officers. As well as, numerous individuals out of the Salt Lake and Davis County area.

Parents need to be aware of the type of illegal activities that occurs at these type of gathering. Sexual assaults, rapes, overdoses, drugs, alcohol abuse, thefts, and firearms violations. The sale of drugs at these parties is so prevalent that at this particular Rave party drugs were offered to a local off duty emergency medical service personnel who were contracted to be there. In addition two security personnel hired by the promoter were arrested for possession of cocaine and ecstasy

Sgt. D. Gilbert (PIO) 801-420-0706

Sounds like the police had every right to shut it down, appears they didn't have the proper permits.

And, I was going to make this statement regarding the military before I saw this, but yea, you guys need to lay off them. Camoflauge is sold to more than just the military, and there was no military taking part in this bust.