Utah Rave shutdown by Authorities

[DJEtan]

Originally Posted by Sentinal

Apparently the military wasn't involved. So can a moderator please change the thread title to something like "Utah Rave Shut Down Severely". That would be great...

Can't be military, has to be SWAT.

Posse Commatus bars military units from engaging in policing activities on US soil.

[THE TRUTH]

It was the state police.

[Sentinel]

exactly, so can someone change the title?

[DJRaVaGe]

So lame. I remember in Chicago when a police cheif or commsioner's (not sure) daughter over dosed on X. Ever since then they are really tough about raves and the like in my great city.

As far as this shit goes. What a shame I wasn't there because I would have had the shit beaten out of me for kicking a police dog and breaking it's jaw. I am really upset, well I was at first. Then I started reading more and more and now it is being said that the permit to have a gathering of more then 250 did not exist. Whatever, even if they tore them up and shoved them up their asses there is still record of it. Police aren't going to raid a part based on permit discretion, they raided the party the way they did because of the guns and drugs they had seen previously amongst individuals from other raves they had been working at.

The whole thing sucks and I feel so bad for everyone there. Granted I haven't taken X in years the worst thing to do to a bunch of people on drugs is scare the living crap out of them like that!

Anyway, **** whoever organized that bust. If they think they are making another step in destroying our world then they can go ahead and **** themselves cause I will still be smoking a doob and spinnin' my records tonight while having permiscuas sex and eating babies!

[freaknik]

Honestly folks do you think that if there were 3000 people chilling and watchin' some guys play bluegrass or a Barry Manalow impersinator that they would have brought in SWAT? C'mon. This was an outrageous use of exesive force. I bet you send 20 cops and threaten people with arrest people will leave. No need for guns and attack dogs.

The biggest thing is if they were violaring civil rights. I'm a part of a forum group and one of the guys was there and said they were pointing guns a folks. And taking away cameras and telling people if they kept filming they would be arrested. THAT IS A VIOLATION OF MY CIVIL RIGHTS! They can't tell me to stop filming anything. Just another example that people in power don't want something to happen they say **** the law and do what they want. I hope the state government of Utah gets screwed for this.

[freaknik]

The Sheriff offered a written statement that THE TRUTH provided. In it a stated that there were many problems with past raves; theft, assault, underage drinking etc. Why couldn't the police have a stronger presence within the party itself? Why couldn't they patrol in the crowd while it was going on? I've been to Rainbow Gatherings where there are 16,000 people spread over miles of woods with all the same things happening there as they say happen at the UT raves. But you don't see SWAT come raid the area. And there are police patroling and arresting idiots that got caught doing whatever.

I think they went too far and could have done things differently. I don't think it needed to get to the point of attack dogs, helicopters and assault rifles.

[Nicci]

http://freetalklive.com/index.php they are talking about this right now on their radio station. I think it will be available for podcast or able to listen if you miss it now.

[maz]

One thing people should know, "over dosing on mdma" is usually dehydration or you're over heating yourself by not taking the proper precautions. Actually over dosing on MDMA takes quite a bit of effort.

[GodmadeTrance]

This is just stupid. So they arrested the security because they had previously confiscated drugs and still had them? If thats the case its just lame!

[ChEeZeBaLL]

It was posted a few pages back, but here's the video with sound:
http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/.Public/fascism.wmv

[andar]

If you want to blame something I blame religion. In that area religion is very prominant and pervasive.. it causes people to be afraid of things that are different, and it causes people to be intolerant of diversity.. so sad...

[Nicci]

yes like someone said you can have 5-10 wives, but you can't gather peacefully and dance to music! I just found that funny.

Anyways here is a link to the video that i posted also from Fox news, it has a guy who was there talking about what happened.
http://www.sallad.org/media/fox13.mov

Also check on
http://freetalklive.com/index.php
they had some people call in from utah who were actually there. One of the DJ's called in and gave her account of what happened. On their site they will have it for download or podcast or something.

[Sentinel]

I didn't think I'd be saying this, but that Fox News video was actually pretty good.

And as far as "put the camera down NOW"... is that legal? Can anyone inform me on that topic? Please...

[ChainReaction]

Originally Posted by andar

If you want to blame something I blame religion. In that area religion is very prominant and pervasive.. it causes people to be afraid of things that are different, and it causes people to be intolerant of diversity.. so sad...

Why would you blame religion for something like this? There is no connection between them... Its not as if they read somewhere that the SWAT team was told by God to go in. And I think you have a misunderstanding of what some religions believe in for most aren't intolerant of diversity.

I think that the reason why they sent in the SWAT time was "ok" to do, only because of the fact that they didn't know what they were going to be dealing with, I think that the attack dogs were going overboard though.

[tbird]

Firstly:

Promoters had all the permits that were required. They showed it to the SWAT team, and they took it, tore it up, and said, no you don't have the permits.

Thank god for traceable purchases on credit cards
You will see soon.

Secondly,

This was planned well in advance if you read the respone from the Utah Sherrifs Dept.

They knew it was going on. They chose to ignore that they had all the legal permits. Then they lied and try to cover it up. The truth will surface believe me. They were painting a picture that all ravers are drug fiends. Give me a break, most of us are there for the music.

The reason for the raid, I hear, is that the police dept did not have enough manpower to shut down the last rave this promoter threw. They had an agenda to shut down the next one, no matter what the cost.


Thirdly,

Why does the SWAT team feel the need to beat down and arrest people who were filming/ taking photos ? Not only that, but confiscate/break their cameras as well. No one deserves to get his ass kicked for documenting what was happening.

And to add to that, how much of a threat is that young girl in the video ? She is allready on the ground, with a knee in her back. The millitary personell proceeds to punch her in the back, then 3 more guys jump her. I hope they go to jail for that shit.

Fourthly,

The gun they confiscated there belonged to the land owner's son I hear. So now its illegal to have a gun on your own property ? Comeon...

Also, did the landowners really need to be kicked out/arrested from their OWN LAND after consenting to the rave on their property.

Fifthly,

You can't overdose on Ecstasy. You can OD from the drugs the MDMA is cut with, but not from the MDMA. And how the hell do you treat an OD onsite, then release them to their parents an hour later? All ODs go to the hospital for at least 6 hours, so I'm calling bullshit on that story.

[quixotic42]

the world is driven by fear and " grown ups", ladies and gents. Will anyone here deny the massive numbers of deaths related to the "rave scene" (do not attack me I did not just imply that ALL ravers, party kids, edm lovers are druggies) will anyone deny the parents and loved ones of those who have died their pain and anger, and would they all be soo terribly wrong to focus their attentions on the scene they saw their loved ones a part of??? all of a sudden a "style" music, clothes,dance... explodes onto this earth, and unfortunately with it came the link to drug use, so, we have kids dying, we have kids dressing funny, we have music we don't understand, we are scared and we are the grown ups that run this country so, propaganda ?? yes definately, but also a belief system fueled by the fear of the unkbnown. Us edm lovers, we who have raved till the morning hours are outraged, because we see a group of love and music and dancing, (and lites don't forget the lites). but they see a party rumored to have an exstensive amount of drug dealers at it..( drug dealers are not always your neighbors boyfriend, and the cops have seen the kind of drug dealers that require more then just a hey get in the squad car I'm taking you home kind of action) so poop to those who just want to beat down on boys dancing in pink and the girls in candy glitter that they don't understand, but lwt's not misplace our hatred towards those who are told , "we have a situation, drugs (which kill people!!!) are definately involved, dealers will be present and it is an enormous crowd" I believe some individuals should never be handed guns or given positions of authority period, I believe alot of these types of people were present in this raid and that there actions were deplorable....but I'm not going to say, **ck the police or screw the u.s. military because I know they were told to do something by someone else, i know they were probably fed the propagand a fear campaign,,,,have tons more to say but i'm late ....

[Rapter]

if you really think of it, they did not even need permits for a mass peaceful gathering as a permit for a gathering like that is Unconstitutional and they could have done it anyways without it. If you want me to point it out its right here:

Article [I.]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[DJ Xenomorph]

Originally Posted by andar

If you want to blame something I blame religion. In that area religion is very prominant and pervasive.. it causes people to be afraid of things that are different, and it causes people to be intolerant of diversity.. so sad...

You honestly think that soldiers bearing automatic weapons and ziplining from a helicopter to shut down a rave was driven by religion? bahahahahaha

[revmoo]

Rapter makes a very good point. Even if the promoters hadn't gotten all of the neccessary permits, it was still a gathering on private property, and those soldiers(body armor+assault rifles+helicopters=soldiers, regardless of the faction they belong to) had no right to shut down the party in the manner that they did.

You can even hear on the video one of the soldiers screaming at someone to "put down the camera". That's not right.

They arrested 65 out of 3000 people. Take a sample of 3000 people from a busy city street and I'm certain you can find a reason to lock up at least 60 of those people if you try hard enough. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't arrest any more people.

I just hope that this gets the attention it deserves. We're trodding down a slippery slope people. Ignorant, misinformed statements(Charbroil I'm looking at you) don't help. Of course there are two sides to this story, but I don't see any video from the soldiers showing ravers attacking them.

[pitchedUP]

If your gonna take down a large crowd, you gonna need body armor and assault rifles. The police was probably treating this as some sort of riot type thing, just in case the raid went out of hand.