What happened to trance music?

[too-far]

Originally Posted by ChEeZeBaLL

I just recorded a new mix that consists of tracks that define the trance genre in my opinion. You can give it a listen here:

http://www.geoffledak.com/music/Geof...%20Thought.mp3

Tracklisting:

http://www.geoffledak.com/music/Geof...%20Thought.txt

I forgot i put this in my playlist..was wondering what i was listening to.
I enjoyed it, was nice to hear diving again

[FryChicken]

Thoma Datt interview! We need more producers like him.


http://beatsmedia.com/interviews/bea...ew-april-2012/

[Progrez121]

Originally Posted by FryChicken

Thoma Datt interview! We need more producers like him.


http://beatsmedia.com/interviews/bea...ew-april-2012/

Cool interview, even though I am not really a fan of that website.

[trance_fan]

Trance lost its style after David guetta started producing for hip hop artists. Soon there everyone wanted to copy. Lame!!!

[HudsonHawk]

Originally Posted by trance_fan

Trance lost its style after David guetta started producing for hip hop artists. Soon there everyone wanted to copy. Lame!!!

That's like saying Hip Hop died when Nickleback started playing on the radio.
Also why is hip hop such a dirty word in trance community.

[Progrez121]

Originally Posted by trance_fan

Trance lost its style after David guetta started producing for hip hop artists. Soon there everyone wanted to copy. Lame!!!

If you want to blame someone, blame Armada they single handily ruined mainstream trance.

[ravemachine]

Now that edm has become mainstream this past year 2011, I have now gone farther BACK IN THE PAST. Appreciating what edm was made in the 90s. Like QFX, ATB, acid techno, zyx music, sub base records and all the good stuff.

[ChEeZeBaLL]

Originally Posted by Progrez121

If you want to blame someone, blame Armada they single handily ruined mainstream trance.

I agree 100%.

[ravemachine]

Originally Posted by The Rush

Trance evolved like all genres do. Would you rather listen to new tunes from your fav. artist, or have their name become instinct because they don't want to evolve? Also keep in mind Trance has such a long history that it's becoming harder and harder to cough-up new and original tunes as time passes. The only three choices left are to either: 1) move-up with the genre, 2) listen to only classics, 3) find another genre to follow. Idly bitching about this will get you nowhere. 2 cents.

Trance now is really progressive and has evolved into crap.

a&b sucks in my opinion.

armin wants you to raise your hands up 50 times during his set.
armin plays the same set in Minneapolis as he played in Chicago a few nights before. That isn't being the number 1 DJ to me.

If I was a famous producer, I would make more tracks with the sounds that made me famous like ferry corsten and gouryella around 2000. I would keep the same software that produced the big underground hits and that I love.

It's about the LOVE of the music, when it becomes about the money, GAME OVER.

[ravemachine]

Years ago, I guess Armada told one of the DJs that plays on my friends radio show that he can't play anything Armada or he would be sued. He is a bedroom dj.

[Progrez121]

Originally Posted by ravemachine

Trance now is really progressive and has evolved into crap.

a&b sucks in my opinion.

armin wants you to raise your hands up 50 times during his set.
armin plays the same set in Minneapolis as he played in Chicago a few nights before. That isn't being the number 1 DJ to me.

If I was a famous producer, I would make more tracks with the sounds that made me famous like ferry corsten and gouryella around 2000. I would keep the same software that produced the big underground hits and that I love.

It's about the LOVE of the music, when it becomes about the money, GAME OVER.

Originally Posted by ravemachine

Now that edm has become mainstream this past year 2011, I have now gone farther BACK IN THE PAST. Appreciating what edm was made in the 90s. Like QFX, ATB, acid techno, zyx music, sub base records and all the good stuff.

EDM has always been mainstream, its just that the labels and artists are using their marketing strategies and flooding the market with soulless crap and brain washing the people who are now growing up with guetta, armin, afrojack sort of stuff into thinking its all part of evolution when in fact its not. Even the once talented producers like Armin, and Markus Schulz are trying to mimic those cheap commercial dance acts. Mind you this is coming from a guy who used to love commercial house 8 years ago and I actually grew up with house, techno, trance, and euro dance during the mid 90's.

A&B do suck so does Armin and Schulz I have zero respect for any of them these days and sadly most of the artists are being way too damn quiet about the bad state of the scene.

I actually asked one of my friends to ask Markus Schulz to say if he thinks he would stop playing the pitch crap and start playing some proper deep progressive stuff like he used to and guess what, he didn't answer the question at all.

[TsMkLg068423]

Originally Posted by Progrez121

EDM has always been mainstream, its just that the labels and artists are using their marketing strategies and flooding the market with soulless crap and brain washing the people who are now growing up with guetta, armin, afrojack sort of stuff into thinking its all part of evolution when in fact its not. Even the once talented producers like Armin, and Markus Schulz are trying to mimic those cheap commercial dance acts. Mind you this is coming from a guy who used to love commercial house 8 years ago and I actually grew up with house, techno, trance, and euro dance during the mid 90's.

A&B do suck so does Armin and Schulz I have zero respect for any of them these days and sadly most of the artists are being way too damn quiet about the bad state of the scene.

I actually asked one of my friends to ask Markus Schulz to say if he thinks he would stop playing the pitch crap and start playing some proper deep progressive stuff like he used to and guess what, he didn't answer the question at all.

A&B, Armin Van Buuren and Markus Schulz did not suck back in the day, not until they all became really huge like Tiesto or David Guetta. Seriously, how many people knew this guys in their early days? Not many. Maybe if the noobies stop calling everything Trance or Techno this popularity will end. People still say Tiesto is the best Trance DJ and me is like wtf? Trance? Really? He is still playing Trance? Oh wait he is not, you are just a noob who is just getting into the scene and just trying to fit in.

I think I am going to listen to Robert Miles Dreamland album now grrr.

[Trance88]

Originally Posted by TsMkLg068423

I think I am going to listen to Robert Miles Dreamland album now grrr.

Do it man! Back to the humble days of EDM.


As far as todays stuff goes, I'm really into PVD's new album. I can tell he's at least attempting to go against the grain of pop EDM (no Skrillex style dubstep garbage). It's the closest thing to classic style EDM I've heard in a while.

[RB Tech]

Originally Posted by ravemachine

If I was a famous producer, I would make more tracks with the sounds that made me famous like ferry corsten and gouryella around 2000. I would keep the same software that produced the big underground hits and that I love.

It's about the LOVE of the music, when it becomes about the money, GAME OVER.

I hate to tell you this but 2000 is long gone. That style of trance is nearly dead. If you were a famous producer from that time and still making the same tracks 12 years later you would be lucky if you made $5,000 a year. Try raising a family or paying the bills on that kind of income. Ask Andy Blueman why he stopped making uplifting trance.

You can still produce that kind of trance if it is your hobby or you still live at home with mom and dad. There is just no way you can make a living at it.

[Progrez121]

Originally Posted by TsMkLg068423

A&B, Armin Van Buuren and Markus Schulz did not suck back in the day, not until they all became really huge like Tiesto or David Guetta. Seriously, how many people knew this guys in their early days? Not many. Maybe if the noobies stop calling everything Trance or Techno this popularity will end. People still say Tiesto is the best Trance DJ and me is like wtf? Trance? Really? He is still playing Trance? Oh wait he is not, you are just a noob who is just getting into the scene and just trying to fit in.

I think I am going to listen to Robert Miles Dreamland album now grrr.

Of course man, I am well aware of that I am just referring to present time when I say they suck these days. I've been listening to EDM since 1995 so I knew (not personally) all of them. Above & beyond didn't come onto the scene until late 1999. I couldn't care less about tiesto Armin's label has a big impact on the scene because all 3 still want to label themselves as trance djs when they also say they want to break the boundaries between the genres and saying goodbye to the genre naming which I think is a load of crap. Let's face it if it wasn't for genre naming how can you dig deep into the genre and find tracks to your liking?

I think they themselves are confused these days including some of the new fans who come in, who don't know anything about the genre let alone which style. For me it was always about a variety of quality trance styles which made the scene healthy. However, having soulless cheesy tracks likes these makes the scene look bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpWKFaBV1S8

[Progrez121]

Originally Posted by RB Tech

I hate to tell you this but 2000 is long gone. That style of trance is nearly dead. If you were a famous producer from that time and still making the same tracks 12 years later you would be lucky if you made $5,000 a year. Try raising a family or paying the bills on that kind of income. Ask Andy Blueman why he stopped making uplifting trance.

You can still produce that kind of trance if it is your hobby or you still live at home with mom and dad. There is just no way you can make a living at it.

Problem was with uplifting trance like I said earlier in the previous topics. The uplifting trance were very creative and very melodic and they had soul and they weren't horrible compressed. These days the breakdowns and melodies are so damn uber weak its not even funny and most of these new guys like Suncatcher, Falcon, JvD, don't know how to compress their tracks properly and they don't know to compose their tracks as well.

And tell me how do the underground progressive house guys still try to make a living from the loads of tracks they end up producing? Lots of talented producers left the scene, because there was way too much politics and the scene was run by guys who are not in it for the love of music, they just want to make a lot of money I am referring to Armada here.

[arjunamada88]

Originally Posted by Progrez121

The uplifting trance were very creative and very melodic and they had soul and they weren't horrible compressed. These days the breakdowns and melodies are so damn uber weak its not even funny and most of these new guys like Suncatcher, Falcon, JvD, don't know how to compress their tracks properly and they don't know to compose their tracks as well.

Spot On! Its true that Uplifting Trance was horribly compressed & end up with typical annoying & predictable "Degga-Degga" Baseline that cranked it up to 138 - 140 BPM production mostly made by Aly & Fila, Suncatcher, Arctic Moon & more to list it down. I Extremely get annoyed especially when someone claimed that "uplifting Trance = Pure Trance" mostly heard at weekly Future Sound of Egypt & Monthly Trancestoned with El-Jay Thread which I personally not claimed it as "Pure Trance" it if claimed as "Pure Epic/Uplifting Trance" that makes sense IMO, "Pure Trance" is something like older trance like back in the 1990's such as Dance 2 Trance, older Underworld & todays underrated Trance artist producer like Airwave, Orkidea & John '00' Fleming.

Don't get me wrong (Might have a contradiction here) I do like Uplifting Trance as much as I like just like the one of the FSOE Fanboy here but slowly most of the production these days slowly degraded more & more predictable Uplifting 'template' that makes me bored and far even worse already experimented with some Dubstep/Drum 'N' Bass Element to add in such as Jamie Walker - Brainwave [Defcon Recordings] wasn't that innovative but I found it nothing new but gets worsen on the other hand.

[arjunamada88]

Originally Posted by Progrez121

However, having soulless cheesy tracks likes these makes the scene look bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpWKFaBV1S8

I completely Agree with that & what a rubbish soulless track. And everything always blame to Armada!

[arjunamada88]

Just to add in, still wondering why A&B's TATW weekly show turns uber Crap lately? Here is some quote from Paavo himself at Anjunabeats Forum that explain why TATW & the rest of Anjunabeats went seriously downhill (Minus the Anjunadeep)

Extraction from Anjunabeats Forum: http://forum.anjunabeats.com/topic/5...7#entry1130527

Originally Posted by Anjuna Forum Member

We're still waiting for the Dirt Devils album

You consider your old work boring?

Originally Posted by Paavo

I suppose i'll always have a sweet spot for our own creations from over the years as there's so many memories attached to them, but i am bored with most of the old skool trance these days, and it's been killing dancefloors when we've been pulling them out of the bag: the new generation of clubbers around the world have been introduced into the scene with a different kind of music. So where i have a soft spot for, say 'Oceanic', it just doesn't work anymore like it used to, and in a club environment it's seemed almost alien stylistically to many people.

Times change, and i think it's a great thing: i want to be excited about music every day and if things didn't evolve i'd get bored very quickly.
Where my head is at the moment as far as club music is called, it doesn't get any better than 'Mozart' from Mad Zo & Arty or Ronski's mix of Megashira. I'm personally also really loving how the new mix of On My Way To Heaven is coming on: i've been looking forward to getting a club playable version of that to bring a bit of that angsty stuff from the album to the clubs. There's no better antidote to the always happy commercial house than a good old misery-filled but hopeful breakdown if you ask me

The great thing is, i'm not alone, it seems.
The amount of love out there for the same stuff we're into is overwhelming, and i feel like one lucky individual to experience it weekly.
And for that, i thank you.

p

From the highlight the context above, Paavo did try to spin some older Anjunabeats track that he mentioned above & nobody get used with that old stuff so instead they try to be different as long to ensure younger generations likes it, so they abandoned old skool Anjuna & by adapting Trance 2.0 Policy is a sweet success for them but a biggest mistakes decision & serious upset towards older Anjuna Fanboy. Personally Its such a Lame Excuse for them to change & caring the popularity of themselves & label itself are much more prioritize than conserving the older Style Anjuna should be.

[RB Tech]

Originally Posted by Progrez121

Problem was with uplifting trance like I said earlier in the previous topics. The uplifting trance were very creative and very melodic and they had soul and they weren't horrible compressed. These days the breakdowns and melodies are so damn uber weak its not even funny and most of these new guys like Suncatcher, Falcon, JvD, don't know how to compress their tracks properly and they don't know to compose their tracks as well.

This compression issue is an interesting topic. I would like to know what you mean by "horrible compressed". Compression as I understand it should be applied to individual tracks to control their volume in the mix. In the old days this would be performed by a professional in the studio on a hardware compressor. Today we know a lot of trance is produced purely in a software environment. That means most of these compression choices are being made by the artist themselves.

I wouldn't just put the blame on compression as there are so many home producers doing everything including the final mastering themselves. You can hear many tracks where there is no staging of instruments so they all come down the center at the same volume. Now add in these small internet labels who take one of these tracks and send it out for a $50 mastering. You get back a pumped up mess that is then turned into a degraded MP3 for online sale. No wonder so many trance tracks sound like crap today.